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05-14-2014 , 01:51 PM
Ok wrt to this whole Mattchew thing:

Options are he's either the role he claims, a villa trying to confuse the wolves or he's a wolf. In all of these scenarios he isn't going to tell the truth about what he did last night or he's going to tell the truth in such a way that the wolves won't know it's the truth. If he wants to elaborate later on then so be it but rootling around at his claim is:



I think it's a lot more likely that what Matt is doing comes from a villa perspective and we should prolly leave it at that atm.
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05-14-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by _J_
So I'm back and am pretty much caught up so I will be responding to people now.

I will say from pg 6->forward. Guild lost the argument with Moocher hard and his whiplash reaction to Moocher is terrible.

I also find myself reading Guild like a puppy. One that barks a lot but never truly bites. However, you say something he doesn't like he comes at your like a mad-dog. So I will be looking at Guild a bit more cautiously but I do detest the way he is choosing to enter/play the game at the current time.
Im reading some old D1 stuff working on a theory, and came across this, which just feels so NOT J wolf with guild wolf. Same w/ Moocher and guild btw. Not that anyone was doubting that, really.
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05-14-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
I think it's a lot more likely that what Matt is doing comes from a villa perspective and we should prolly leave it at that atm.
Wanna be thrown for a loop?






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I agree on this point.
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05-14-2014 , 01:55 PM
Dils you had a hardon D1 for SJG. Where you at with that now?
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05-14-2014 , 02:00 PM
MP, I'm reading that whole thing about dils being a wolf martyr and it looks like extreme tinfoil to me, I need to avail myself of vittles and tracklements before thinking on it further but it looks like you're going off the deep end imo.
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05-14-2014 , 02:07 PM
I had a brief theory that maybe the DP/Guild counter was manufactured D1 and they just said they were against each other when in fact they barely posted. That was NOT true on my reread. I started building a case why DP could be a wolf with Guild, and to be honest, the reread shows the opposite. The below is probably a bunk post therefore, but Ill include it anyway for viewing pleasure.

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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
i'm ignoring guild and writing him off as a bad townie today. This is based off his horrible posting in pregame and his subsequent terrible case on me.
This is DP's early post in response to Guilds J'accuse of DP. Guild literally makes the one post (his first post) about being DP and hasnt commented on him once more until this post.
Guild ignores the comment. Then this:

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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
I agree with this post.

Further, the big post of synonym basically repeats that my push on him was unfounded which it clearly wasn't.

It read to me like he was just attempting to ease suspicion on himself and doesn't give a **** about solving the game.

Still want to lynch synonym.

Could lynch guild, but I am worried he is just god awful. Like, would anyone be surprised if guild was a bad townie? I wouldn't

Could lynch CDL but not as much as I want to lynch synonym.
Make upsies.
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Originally Posted by Guild
hi yeah vader right yeah you're right, in like my first post ever i think i read something you wrote and took it bad? sorry if i was wrong or whatever, don't get worked up about a post i made... holy ****, yesterday feels like last year

i'll read what i said again later during night and if i stick to you tomorrow you'll know i've got more to say about it, but for now i can't even remember what that was about tbh

do you have any questions for me?

i get the feeling jcoen's coing to burst a blood vessel if i keep ignoring him like this
Hm but DP does still go HAM.

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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
Ok this guy is either a complete idiot or scum. How the **** is THAT the 'first real post of the day that even matters'

Then back to insults after DP doesnt want to be friends.

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Originally Posted by Guild
oh you're one of those

i had the funny thought that if i vote myself will your head fall off your shoulders and suck up into your butt from utter disbelief and shock

i don't know why i just had that thought but it's intriguing imagery nonetheless

i explained already why i did that once, if you're reading my posts so carefully why didn't you notice?
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05-14-2014 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rokk_Krinn
Ergo my post at 6781.
sorry, I should have quoted it but I was replying to that.
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05-14-2014 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Guild
Hey you, System, Luckbox and Missing, let's all lynch a low-poster. What do you say? How about Tatteredsail? All the cool kids are betting on the three mafia wins of the last three games of this championship (i'm the only cool kids so far), let's build up a good wagon and get poor Syn off the hook, he's getting the same 'piecemeal' vibe off Darth that I've been getting all game, like he's cherry picking things but not really engaging anyone.
Given guild was trying to bus tatter, I kinda doubt he did much other bussing this day.
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05-14-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I agree with these projections tho I think 11-4 is far more likely.



Unless I am blocking this stuff out no villagers really do this in our games here. There are a few known idiots that play who do stupid stuff in all roles, but no normally reasonable player or anyone who is well respected ever plays the "lynch me" card as a villa so I am having trouble processing it. I have seen wolves do it, but its often with some sort of wolf protection where they are safe anyways.
Ya it's way more common for wolves to do it in our games but you and I almost exclusively play large mish-mashes with hidden rolesets where the wolf team will have day-angels that protect from the lynch, tough wolves with extra lives and even unlynchable wolves etc.
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05-14-2014 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickismyname
Gotcha. Lets chat Gamer dude. Thoughts on him? He seemed cool as a cucumber yesterday when people tried to counterwagon him for Lawrence. I started off disliking him when he was popular, but hes grown on me a lot (now that hes unpopular).
I thought his tone was pretty damn pure during EOD.
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05-14-2014 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Guild
Hey *snap snap snap* over here, slim. I'm talking at you. Can ou elaborate on why I'm mafia please? All you said was I appear to be flailing. That's an accusation I can readily defend against with equal measure: no I'm not. See? Easy. Now make it harder please.

Damn, this must be the cycle the other games experienced. Town eating itself indeed, I haven't had to defend this much in ANY game I've EVER played.

Weirdly the 'ignore them' tactic is therefore quite viable. I feel this is detrimental to a good town game and that's the problem we're going to have while the wolves eats us silently.
This interaction with DJarm is direct and makes me think not w/w
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05-14-2014 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Guild
How serious about any of these are you? Can you type out the case against each one succinctly from your perspective? Don't bother gussying up the post, just slam the words out and let me scan them raw, if you would please. Thanks in advance.
here he questions Luckboxs wolf reads. The only one of luckboxs wolf reads that is still alive? CDL.
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05-14-2014 , 02:19 PM
I thought we were done with Guildspew
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05-14-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
i like the bluntness of this attitude and think it's villagery, not looking to suck up to anyone, other players with a similar attitude so far include:

darthpunk
missingperson
shills
gamerdude (to a lesser extent)
wwwwombat
Dude, Moocher. Nailed it.
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05-14-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickismyname
Dils you had a hardon D1 for SJG. Where you at with that now?
I have no idea at this point. I mostly scroll past his posts because too long, don't wanna read.

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Originally Posted by The Moocher
MP, I'm reading that whole thing about dils being a wolf martyr and it looks like extreme tinfoil to me, I need to avail myself of vittles and tracklements before thinking on it further but it looks like you're going off the deep end imo.
MP has gone way off the deep end.

At the end of yesterday, you were saying I was quite townie. Where are you on that now?
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05-14-2014 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickismyname
Dude, Moocher. Nailed it.
i was damn right about ''gamerdude (to a lesser extent)'' because his aggression has dropped off a cliff lately
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05-14-2014 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tattersail
Hi I am town... what is this? I don't like it. Why feel the need to let us all know that you are town? Guilty conscience maybe
@DP
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05-14-2014 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dils
I have no idea at this point. I mostly scroll past his posts because too long, don't wanna read.



MP has gone way off the deep end.

At the end of yesterday, you were saying I was quite townie. Where are you on that now?
Still think you were villagery but we have guys like you on this site and I always like them in my games* because they keep the action moving which means I can take my foot off the gas occasionally and observe how people react to those lightning rod players.

*i'm waaaaaay in the minority on that score tho
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05-14-2014 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mattchew
The only thing I will not be transparent about is outright telling anyone my alignment. I will not claim town this game, unless I am a role and feel that by claiming I will alter numbers greatly into towns favor.
This is from a longer post of Matt's that I think is quite good but I literally laughed out loud reading this paragraph.
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05-14-2014 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
fwiw, I think cory, luckbox, jcohen, moocher, eden, and some guy I forgot are villas. I also think wwwwombat and guild are wolves.
First reads back to thread.
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05-14-2014 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
Still think you were villagery but we have guys like you on this site and I always like them in my games* because they keep the action moving which means I can take my foot off the gas occasionally and observe how people react to those lightning rod players.

*i'm waaaaaay in the minority on that score tho
What reads have you gotten off of my posts and others' responses to them?
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05-14-2014 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tattersail
Until I finish my read, I cannot say I have anything solid. My reads have fluctuated a little do to response to posts and behaviour change.

My current written list;

Scum; Cory, Dwetzel and Luckbox (mutually exclusive do to their spat on page 3)

not so much scum anymore but could be; darthpunk and djarm

Town - Nick, SG11, Jcohen and missing person

I am still getting caught up, but these are the ones for me that stand out so far for good and bad.
The Dwetzel and Luckbox thing suggests to me that they are maybe not dichotomous like this.
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05-14-2014 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dils
What reads have you gotten off of my posts and others' responses to them?
i'm going back through everything now and will update when i'm done
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05-14-2014 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pres Eden
Checking in this morning while I can. Gonna be intermittent until around noon CDT, after which exam and sleep until near the deadline.

Like Darth said, Synonym's self-described "transparency" post is awfully opaque when it comes to reads.

- He recapped his interaction with DarthPunk but didn't actually give an opinion on DarthPunk's alignment, let alone rationale for why.
- He complains about the fact that cory hasn't gotten flak for not explaining his reads... in a post that, while purporting to explain his thoughts with transparency, doesn't even give reads to be explained. I use "complains" here because without committing himself to a position on cory, it's hard to approach this as meaning anything but "it's not fair!"
- He nitpicks things about CDL that aren't alignment-indicative. Synonym ought to know firsthand from his post yesterday that abrasive defensiveness isn't a mafia trait (unless, of course, Synonym is mafia). CDL didn't discuss the vigilante beyond an unreasonable amount of time. Where is all this coming from?
- When he finally does say something concrete, that CDL and cory are mafia, he quotes some posts that "make great points against each other." For one, I don't understand where the two were arguing in the quotes he cited. Regardless, why would a mafia pair be going at one another there? The interpretation doesn't really make sense.

There's another big problem as well with his list. All three of his scumreads are people who voted for him, and two of his five townreads are solely for defending him. That's 5 out of 8 reads that are entirely reactive to others interacting with him. I can empathize with the natural impulse to be more reactive when under fire, but the best things he could do to clear himself involve pressing his suspects and asking questions to develop his cases. He's not doing this, and it's worrisome when someone who's the lead suspect opts out of doing things that could make them look townie.

Missing Person also went up quite a bit on my suspects list because, put concisely, a bunch of bull**** red flags went up with the way he was going about his attack on DarthPunk. Look at how he starts the case; it's overwhelmingly obvious that MP just went through Darth's filter looking to spin everything Darth said to look as scummy as possible. Then there's the showy nonsense about him going "Miles Edgeworth mode"... it's a load of crock. MP is either suffering from an awful case of confirmation bias or he's scum, and either way, he still hasn't explained to me why I shouldn't be trying to get rid of Synonym today.

I'm sticking with Synonym and when he flips scum I want MP tomorrow.
Here Pres Eden (YG) pushes a bunch of people that I suspect are good.
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05-14-2014 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rokk_Krinn

Why is there no poisoning? Dwetzel certainly wasn't going to be shy about using it. I don't know the mechanics of the site here but the "order of mechanics" in the OP have down that a poisoning wouldn't be stopped by a Kill.
I've only seen poisoner a couple of times. It was not announced by the GM. If the player was town, they would say that they were poisoned the previous night. If they weren't healed the next night, they were dead the following dawn. If scum were poisoned, they would keep quiet about it if they didn't think they would be targeted for healing and attempt to draw the lynch or be bussed.
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