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04-19-2012 , 12:58 PM

#1626

Ellinika se mena

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 223

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

how about I just selfvote and then we can all just blame me in the postgame then? Its more reasonable than blaming the seer who left his two peeks and everyone chose to ignore them.

how about you just stop worrying about post game entirely ?
please

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04-19-2012 , 12:58 PM

#1627

Pavel Datsyuk

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 642

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

explain this, please

if a villager votes you and you are a villager, then the game will be over. How would you have a chance to make it a flip?

if a wolf no shows so they dont cap me. i would be 3-3 and one no vote from a wolf. I could win the flip.

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04-19-2012 , 12:58 PM

#1628

shiitake

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 368

I think the fact we've spent 2 days arguing about it makes it pretty clear the peeks aren't obvious

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04-19-2012 , 01:00 PM

#1629

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiitake

I asked you first!

But consider what I said before about the wolves floating along letting the village self destruct.

Especially at must lynch I think participation, argument, and passion are huge villager tells. You find the wolves by looking for the people quietly helping the consensus along towards lynching a villager.

Look at what is happening right now

I only partially agree with this. I've been in games where the wolves have been much more active overall at must lynch than the villas -- I don't know if I'm allowed to name particular games, but I have one in particular in mind.

Anyway, if godkata or Ellinika is a wolf trying to help the village along to destruction, then why aren't either of them voting for Pavel, given what they know about my own belief about ascetic's peek?

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04-19-2012 , 01:01 PM

#1630

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

if a wolf no shows so they dont cap me. i would be 3-3 and one no vote from a wolf. I could win the flip.

lol at the idea of there being a wolf no show

Are you serious? Really? There are eight hours to go in the day; how are you theorizing about a wolf no show?

That's bizarre.

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Originally Posted by shiitake

I think the fact we've spent 2 days arguing about it makes it pretty clear the peeks aren't obvious

What do you think it says that Pavel is adamant that the peeks are obvious and that ascetic did a stellar job as seer?

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04-19-2012 , 01:01 PM

#1631

shiitake

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 368

It's impossible to answer the question about why as a wolf one or the other wouldn't have already voted, but once the idea is out in the thread it's a huge leveling game anyway

Or would you not be suspicious if after you post that one of them comes in and is all oh by the way vote pavel?

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04-19-2012 , 01:02 PM

#1632

shiitake

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 368

I didn't see that pavel said ascetic did a stellar job as seer

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04-19-2012 , 01:04 PM

#1633

Ellinika se mena

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 223

i for one have little experience with must lynch. i am also anticipating being here at EOD.
so the reason i havent voted pavel or any one else yet is because i am considering the possibility i am wrong. why would i vote now if i cant change it and i have the option to evaluate reads for the rest of the day and then make a decision near or at EOD ?

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04-19-2012 , 01:05 PM

#1634

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiitake

I didn't see that pavel said ascetic did a stellar job as seer

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Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

If I'm going to get lynched can we please do it today rather than down the road. I will only be more upset if I have to spend more time on this game to lose.

I just want everyone to know that it is not ascetic's fault you guys vote me. His peeks are clear and youre choosing to ignore them. I am running out of steam in the fight though. Its too tiring to go against villagers and wolves everyday against the same argument.

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Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

how about I just selfvote and then we can all just blame me in the postgame then? Its more reasonable than blaming the seer who left his two peeks and everyone chose to ignore them.

Okay then, shiitake. A seer's job is to leave clear peeks (and leave live peeks, and stay alive as long as possible to get as many peeks as possible). Pavel is saying that ascetic's peeks are clear. I interpret this as Pavel saying that ascetic did a good job as seer.

Putting "stellar" aside as hyperbole, what does it say to you that Pavel disagrees so strongly about the clarity of ascetic's peeks?

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04-19-2012 , 01:06 PM

#1635

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

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Originally Posted by Ellinika se mena

I am NOT saying you should be casting your vote now, btw.

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04-19-2012 , 01:07 PM

#1636

Ellinika se mena

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 223

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiitake

i take it you are implying me again ?
if so i find it strange that you first say i show too much passion wrt a pavel lynch both today and yesterday but at the same time passion is good. also your second point about consensus is only bad if pavel flips villa. it isnt when he flips wolf.

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04-19-2012 , 01:07 PM

#1637

Ellinika se mena

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 223

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

I am NOT saying you should be casting your vote now, btw.

i dont plan to either.

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04-19-2012 , 01:07 PM

#1638

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiitake

I probably would be suspicious, and I would certainly evaluate everything. But the telling thing to me is that nobody voted Pavel before I pointed out that nobody voted Pavel. godkata could EASILY have done it in his post where he revisited ascetic's peek post, for instance, and it wouldn't have looked absurd or terrible or uber-suspicious.

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04-19-2012 , 01:08 PM

#1639

shiitake

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 368

he's wrong clearly, in the practical sense, but it's not entirely surprising that he would feel that way as a villager either.

I mean I also think that the best way to interpret what ascetic said is that pavel was not a peek. The difference between what you conclude and what I conclude is the difference in emphasis we put on different parts of his posts.

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04-19-2012 , 01:08 PM

#1640

Pavel Datsyuk

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 642

I cant do anything else to defend myself here. Its not my fault that you guys are choosing to misinterpret these peeks. for my sake I hope youre wolves, but if not we have already lost. ascetic acid should have saved your mother at eod, but aside from that this is only our doing.

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04-19-2012 , 01:08 PM

#1641

Ellinika se mena

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 223

alright. im grabbing food and will be back in an hour to an hour and a half if all goes to plan.

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04-19-2012 , 01:08 PM

#1642

shiitake

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 368

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellinika se mena

no, the point is that you don't show real passion, you show a willingness to sort of act certain when other people are pushing it and then back off when it goes away

passion is what quoth did

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04-19-2012 , 01:09 PM

#1643

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

And personally, Pavel, I have this image of wolves sweeping this game with you as wolf and then everybody lol-ing at the villa in postgame for not lynching the obvious peeked wolf.

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04-19-2012 , 01:10 PM

#1644

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

If I'm a wolf the villa has probably lost anyway, hasn't it?

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04-19-2012 , 01:10 PM

#1645

Pavel Datsyuk

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 642

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

And personally, Pavel, I have this image of wolves sweeping this game with you as wolf and then everybody lol-ing at the villa in postgame for not lynching the obvious peeked wolf.

so youre more sacred that I would flip villager and you would be laughed at than you are at being laughed at for missing that I wasnt peeked and mislynching me since then you can put the blame on ascetic acid for being "unclear" rather than yourself for being wrong?

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04-19-2012 , 01:13 PM

#1646

Pavel Datsyuk

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 642

wolf team is godkata, ellinka, and atakpup. theyre all just slinking away when they can hoping that one of us 3 ****s up.

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04-19-2012 , 01:13 PM

#1647

Quoth

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

...No?

And I'm not getting into this with you again. ascetic said he peeked you wolf. He said he peeked Mary Sue villa. He then essentially said, "I won't say what order these peeks were in," and then he said "that's how it's done."

If anyone in post-game is mad at me for somehow thinking that you could be peeked wolf when taking that into account along with his other posts about his peeks, then they're flat-out bananas.

But I'm not going round and round on this. If you really want to take the position that no rational person could think you were ascetic's peek, then knock yourself out.