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04-19-2012 , 03:09 PM

#1751

Quoth

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 423

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Originally Posted by godkata

Pavels case one me still being that i came close to a lynch but never died?
Firstly i dont think he has a case.
I was merely active on day1 and came itt 3hours before eod on day2. I probably deserved to be a wagon.
Saying that its wolfy i havent been lynched is just a weird thing to say. I even came close enough on day 2, if atakpride doesnt maj it im getting lynched.

My case on him is that he has been peeked by ascetic.
Im kinda biased about this since i now know he was peeked.
But i understand that you cant be as sure as i am.
I made my posts about it but if you want i can link/write it up again.

Who do you think the other two wolves are?

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04-19-2012 , 03:10 PM

#1752

Pavel Datsyuk

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Originally Posted by Quoth

That doesn't make a ton of sense given the likely draft dynamics (and you agreed with me on d1 about what the likely draft dynamics were, if I remember correctly).

I'm disagreeing with you about the idea that they are doing nothing out of other obligations though. I think it is an active strategy.

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04-19-2012 , 03:11 PM

#1753

shiitake

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Billy, it definitely doesn't make a lot of sense for godkata and pavel to be wolves together. It's not impossible, it's just there's not much incentive for wolves to setup a must lynch scenario in which only a wolf can get lynched. It would be nice if this was the case but I doubt it is.

Godkata's response to being voted is super wolfy, but pavel doesn't really look that great the way he's just kind of hanging around after having voted.

I don't know. I guess I"m going to re-read them both

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04-19-2012 , 03:12 PM

#1754

shiitake

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Originally Posted by billy goat gruff

quoth im very confident that pavel is a wolf. when i re-read AA's post, i realized the post that he lumped mary sue villa wiht pavel wolf had something special in it.

he made sure to note that mary sue being a villa was contingent on pavel being a wolf. it would have been the other way around if pavel was not a peek.

but if that's the case, who was the second peek?

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04-19-2012 , 03:12 PM

#1755

billy goat gruff

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both their responses are incredibly subpar shiitake.

im willing to bet my shorts that pavel is a wolf(just a saying, im not betting in case anyone says this is ont allowed). a little less so on my godkata read, but godkata's defense is really really bad here.

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04-19-2012 , 03:13 PM

#1756

billy goat gruff

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Originally Posted by shiitake

but if that's the case, who was the second peek?

mary sue villager ldo.

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04-19-2012 , 03:14 PM

#1757

godkata

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Originally Posted by Quoth

Who do you think the other two wolves are?

As i said before, if youre a wolf we die.
With Pavel being a wolf id go to shiitake next. Im starting to doubt myself a little because his posting makes a lot of sense most of the time.
But there has to be smart wolves right?
Billy deserves a reread from me if only because me and him were kind of always on a different line of thinking. Some of his posts threw me off.
Ellinka is basically the same thing but a little thinner.

atakpup is a whole different animal. If we werent at ML id say we shouldnt let him get to ML.
But he isnt my first option after Pavel.

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04-19-2012 , 03:14 PM

#1758

shiitake

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did you mean to say your mother instead of mary sue being contingent then?

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04-19-2012 , 03:15 PM

#1759

Quoth

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Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

I'm disagreeing with you about the idea that they are doing nothing out of other obligations though. I think it is an active strategy.

No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the discussion on d1. It's hard for me to see a captain picking someone as a wolf who he expects to have an UTR playing style, let alone three on the same team.

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04-19-2012 , 03:16 PM

#1760

Quoth

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Originally Posted by shiitake

but if that's the case, who was the second peek?

billy goat gruff said Mary Sue in that post when he meant to say your mother.

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04-19-2012 , 03:16 PM

#1761

billy goat gruff

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Originally Posted by shiitake

did you mean to say your mother instead of mary sue being contingent then?

no.

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04-19-2012 , 03:17 PM

#1762

Quoth

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Originally Posted by godkata

this post is longish but doesn't say a whole lot

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04-19-2012 , 03:18 PM

#1763

billy goat gruff

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no i said and meant mary sue.

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04-19-2012 , 03:18 PM

#1764

Quoth

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Originally Posted by billy goat gruff

no.

okay then I'm confused too, but we really don't need to get into it

we all know where we stand on the likelihood of Pavel being one of ascetic's peeks; we don't need to rehash it

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04-19-2012 , 03:19 PM

#1765

shiitake

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I continue to think my understanding of ascetic's peeks makes the most sense, but I don't think there's much point in arguing about it any further. I don't think we should decide this lynch assuming that pavel is peeked wolf though.

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04-19-2012 , 03:20 PM

#1766

Quoth

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Originally Posted by shiitake

obviously; otherwise you would have voted Pavel already

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04-19-2012 , 03:20 PM

#1767

billy goat gruff

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look if godkata can have enough time to dig up the seer post that i missed on Pavel, hes got enough time to give a better defense than he currently has espeically since there is a strong possibility he will not survive end gaem. instead hes doing nothing.

this in itself would clear pavel a bit, except pavel is like lock wolf.

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04-19-2012 , 03:21 PM

#1768

shiitake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

this is a wolf claim right?

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Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

actually, I think it is quite possible that both atakpup and ascetic acid are wolves.

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Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

atakpup

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Originally Posted by Pavel Datsyuk

no, the logic seems fine. Also, the thread opened at a time that POG as a whole is very inactive. It would not surprise me if they had a heads up from the mod in wolfchat. I really dont think villas would be here f5ing at 5:45 server time.

why did you give ascetic acid a villa lean though?

I think this entrance is very villagery. It's the gung-ho throwing out theories diving into the thread excited to find wolves villager tell.

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04-19-2012 , 03:22 PM

#1769

shiitake

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Originally Posted by Quoth

obviously; otherwise you would have voted Pavel already

I guess when I said we I meant you

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04-19-2012 , 03:23 PM

#1770

billy goat gruff

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shiitake i can save you a lot of work if i just vote pavel now.

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04-19-2012 , 03:23 PM

#1771

godkata

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Ive probably been going at this the wrong way.
I know Pavel is a wolf, let me reread him and try to find if he left something for us.

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04-19-2012 , 03:25 PM

#1772

shiitake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by godkata

Ive probably been going at this the wrong way.
I know Pavel is a wolf, let me reread him and try to find if he left something for us.

how is that?

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04-19-2012 , 03:26 PM

#1773

shiitake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billy goat gruff

shiitake i can save you a lot of work if i just vote pavel now.

I don't think that's going to save me any work

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04-19-2012 , 03:29 PM

#1774

shiitake

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Here's the thing

Just skimming search results, godkata is so much wolfier then pavel. There are maybe 2 or 3 godkata posts in the entire game that are villagery. The thing is this really is coming down to whether or not you think pavel is a peeked wolf, because there's no other reason why we should ever lynch him ahead of godkata or (as I would have preferred) ellinika or atakpup

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04-19-2012 , 03:31 PM

#1775

godkata

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shiitake

how is that?

Youre right.
If he is a villager the wolves still need another vote or its just a coinflip. And that wouldnt be worth it. Still im a viable target, he voted fast.
Its not unknown for wolves to make the first vote.

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