No it was a temp-ban with an end date of never. That's literally what it said. The word never was there in black and white.

I asked mat to lift it and exile me from P

Hahahahhaha, OK, I'll respond to Sushy on this one, since he's being hilariously disingenuous here.

I'm 90% sure that I put in the ban reason, explicitly, a note for Mat to convert the ban to an exile, and that note should have been visible to Sushy. Mat was PMed immediately to do this, and, as we all can see, poor Sushy was indeed unbanned and exiled.

That note was not visible to me. All that was visible was temp-ban with an end date of never. I was unbanned only after I emailed mat several days later, and following several emails back and forth.

You are not only biased but you are a blatant liar.

When you are banned and try to view 2+2, does the ban reason not appear?

I've seen messages to the banned user show up in ban reasons quite often.

Sorry, you have to prove Wookie intended to lie and didn't simply make a mistake to make this claim, according to your own definition of lying. And that's assuming you're even correct that the ban reason was not visible to you.

If well named standards for moderation were applied in P there would be much more limited value in an alt forum. But it's very clear from this thread why P is so unrepresentive. Posters don't want to be worried about temp bans because the mods have political issues with them, let alone the threat of permabans.

In practice most 2+2ers aren't gong to be considering it ok because they can get an exile if they appeal to you. That's an intolerable situation for most people trying to discuss politics in such a toxic environment.

It does. I just banned a gimmick to test it out.

You have been banned for the following reason:
just testing something

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

On the desktop I've seen numerous screenshots as well. Maybe he was ph0an p0asting and Tapatalk doesn't show it?

Right, clearly the solution to a toxic environment is to allow all personal attacks in your forum, because that's not at all a toxic environment for political discussion

I think conservatives complain about bans a lot more than liberals in that forum do.

Take ikes vs fly. They both got temp-banned constantly. Only one of them routinely came back from bans and, though they weren't the kind of complain about moderation, whined endlessly about the ban. I'll let you guess which one it was.

I know I've seen a lot of liberal posters eat temp bans and they don't run to ATF. Why do you think that is?

It sounds like, from what we've heard itt from the two mods, they sometimes let reports fall through the cracks. It's not a great look, but it happens. It sounds also like Mat is interested in putting more mods on the team to ensure that doesn't happen.

Of course, if posts violating the rules aren't reported by conservative posters, how is that the fault of moderators? You can't seriously expect them to read every post of every thread, right?

Im a big supporter of you staying mod of Pv7.0 but if you become mod of P then a) It would improve P significantly imo but b) You should step down from Pv7.0 and it would because a forum that takes a far less toxic approach to politics that P prefers



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If I were to moderate in the main forum I would moderate it according to its own standards, not the P7 rules, fwiw. I think it's kind of a bad idea to make dramatic changes to the way the main forum is moderated, because most of the posters in the forum are happy with the current enforcement. There's just a question of lacking coverage and missing things that probably should be moderated.

I wouldn't call the main forum "toxic", but I think these are two different issues that aren't particularly related. Complaints about the main forum are complaints about moderation bias (leaving aside whether those complaints are justified). Allowing personal attacks in P7 is not an attempt to address moderation bias, it's an attempt to give the majority of P7 posters what they say they want. And for the most part the posters who have a problem with the main forum moderation also wanted personal attacks. The only exception is pokerodox.

I guess I can't really blame chez for trying to get rid of me already

Look, it's really not all that difficult to have a fair forum. Just apply the rules evenly to everyone. It's not rocket science.

I'd much rather you stayed but most of the reason would be lost if your approach was applied to P.



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Yeah, that's what mine said.

Lol, no it's not. But I guess this means we've cracked the case!

Well, I'm going on memory here, but I distinctly remember the end date of never because I thought it was weird to have a Temp-ban with an end date of never. Pretty sure the reason for the ban was there too, but I may be wrong on that. There was nothing about exile.

And I definitely had to email mat to get it lifted and I asked for the exile myself. He can verify that if he wants to.

You didn't answer my question. Are you actually saying that conservatives and liberals are treated equally on the issue of mod response to reported personal attacks?

Sure, if I don't report them, that's on me. But wait, let's talk just about reported personal attacks. Are you saying they are treated equally?

Plus, there is the bolded. I just named (1) personal attacks and (2) allowance for poetic license and exaggeration. There are plenty more kinds of bias in the modding. But I just want to avoid an arbitrary ban (now arbitrary exile).

I will agree that there is a bias for exaggeration. There's a few liberal posters who do it, and I wonder if wookie doesn't have those posters ignored.

as for personal attacks and the like, i think the gap is a lot closer than our conservative posters realize. I'm not willing to say that's intentional, but it could easily be because of a combination of other issues (low post reports, low # of mods, high forum traffic, etc)

i hope you understand that I'm for fixing any of these issues so that moderation is, if not seen as being balanced, more equally applied, more consistently.

He was lying about the exile note and I definitely had to ask mat myself to be exiled and have the ban lifted. Mat knew nothing about it.

Apart from the reason of course.

Thanks. Glad to hear that.

Articulating one another's motives is almost never useful. Ever. Just so here.