name a few of the contratdictions

he had stolen 50euros each day from his stake, yet he ate out of the trash...

wrong again, learn to read. 50 euros from the 6th and 7th day. thats only 100euros, and on the 8th day he spent the entire day drinking and wandering the town, wow what a big hole in his story, well done.

why are you assuming he used the stashed stake money on the town, that was his emergency monies, he wasnt saving it to spend on getting drunk etc...

edit: and as far as i know it would be pretty tough to blow 100 euro in a night in france...

This from the post you responded to on top of pg. 43

Originally Posted by scar
Guys I was very skeptical of the OP at first as well, but after a few PM's back and forth and a short phone call I now believe his story 100%. I think you guys are just surprised to see a member of the poker community expressing shame in causing harm to another human being. I think we as a internet community need to solve this problem for the OP and the family he inadvertantly traumatized in France.

After speaking tot he OP he asked me to him some money that he would add towards a fund he created to help repay Alex. He says any amount is okay; from mere pennies to hundreds of dollars. I transfered him $50 on his Stars accnt which he says he will then transfer this fund. I say we as a community gather around one of our fallen brethren and send him lots of money to help poor Alex. The OP is obviously young and inexperienced. Together we can help teach this kid a lesson in morality.

PM the OP for his stars SN. The OP also told me we can send the money straight to him by mail if the stars transfer is not agreeable.

Here's the thing...there's no swishaman7 or whatever it is on PS. I already checked opr.com. I'm just sick of these BBV threads that aren't worth a piece of type...that's why I'm tilted on this.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...he didn't ask for money?

You posted that he asked you to send him money 2 pages ago...and you sent him $50 on PS. Then you posted that we should help him out & do the same!

OK...he "indirectly" asked for donations! C'mon man!

I'd like to retract the word contradictions and go back to my previous term of inconsistencies. What swd is saying about the emergency money is something I thought of also before I got to his post. It kinda seems like he is making it up as he goes along more than filling in later details. The 30K dollar/30K Euro thing was something that really struck me. Even if he didn't know, if he had just assumed dollars like he said it seems awful weird with this being such a big event that he would think/type Euros in a later post. I agree these aren't contradictions, but they certainly are inconsistencies. My whole point is the story is crazy and definitely has inconsistencies so I don't know why you are so convinced that it is true. You do a good job explaining why it is possible the story could be true, but I really can't see why you are so convinced that it is.


30K dollars stolen -> 30K Euros stolen -> hmm I dunno which, but it's important to pay him back. I have a moral responsibility to do so. -> Oh and about the moral responsibility part, what I meant was I might end up dead if I don't.

that was a joke

alex duped him into believing he had a moral responsibility, when OP mentioned he didnt have any legal resposibility, alex hinted he would kill him.

think about how the kid told the story, he didnt even realize that he had been scammed until we told him what happened. and hes still not positive. all his facts line up, there are zero holes in his story. he has a regular vouching for him, a blog with details about france, read what he posts about the hands he lost on at the casino in nice,
he mentions the exact landmarks next to the US Consulate's office.

no one is good enough to pull all that off for no payoff other than a he gets to laugh at a good leveling.

the kid would have to understand the highest levels of being a conman to be able to make up this ****. its impossible that this is a hoax, because someone who levels on 2p2 couldnt make this up. if he was this smart he would be spending his time scamming to make money.

how much more proof do you need? especially since you have nothing to lose by believing it, i dont get it.

Share his Stars sn with the thread so JBS can look on OPR. :P

NLL, you sure came up with a creative gimmick account and story. Your love of action movies came in handy and you did a good job entertaining us. :P I really feel ridiculous discussing this further, so I'm off to read a mystery novel. I'll check back here to see when you have the next chapter ready, but I'm gonna have to stick to reading and not responding.

lol ok, mods can probably confirm that i have nothing to do with this. read my last edit.

i just think its real and i am extremely interested in the story and concerned for the guy. i acknowledge it could be all fake (incredibly small chance), if it is fake, so what, OP could come out tomorrow and say it was all fake and it wouldnt bother me. but if it is real, hopefully others will learn from OP's mistakes.

Once again, the biggest contradictions....all this taken from his blog and 1st post here.

-He arrived in Nice on 6/6

-Lost 6 of 1st 7 days (6/6, 6/7, 6/8, 6/9, 6/10, 6/11, 6/12)

-On 8th day, "robbery took place"...that's 6/13 (last Friday)

-6/13 would also be 1st night of "being homeless". 5th day of being homeless starting with 6/13, would be 6/17 (yesterday)

-Claims he used his last 6 Euros to print a resume, yet used his last 2 Euros to buy a bagette and water. Hmmmmm?

-His "true" story was posted on 6/17 at 6:48am. If left France on 6/17, there's no logical way he'd have posted here when he did!

-No mention of Alex's wife, temp. roomie at time of confrontation.

-No mention of where his belongings went/are. No way he went on 5 day homeless bender without a change of clothes, horrible BO, and was allowed a plane to fly home.

That's all before he started posting to counter everyone's doubts!

NLL...it's all right here, you started questioning him as much as I did last night about the validity of it all, then all of a sudden change your tune to support him. Not saying you can't, but seems awfully fishy!

While I admit, the posting of the caller ID picture allows for some backing of part of his story...it seems awfully weird that 98 posted it, then took it down, then re-posted it once the OP "was on his plane going back to Michigan".

He may have went to France, he may have lost playing in a casino, but I loudly proclaim "BS" to the actual happenings from there!

And then trying to assume he'll get physically hurt, while trying to gather sympathy from 2p2ers to "raise" money for a fund to pay back "Alex"? Please don't tell me you're this far out of it?

I am starting to belive this more and more...

Every post I read of NNL is trying to get OP to pay back 5-8 K. Almost demanding that he do it. The scammer comes on here making sure he gets some money back...

TJL

wow you are ******ed

just because someone tries to scam you and invests money in the process of scamming doesn't mean that if he fails you have to pay him back the money he has invested (or in case he disagrees, the full amount he intended to scam you for)


Also, OP, NoLimitLeagues, and 98mute is probably the same person.

Who cares, we have not known YOU for a while.

No, as tap water is drinkable in France except in rare rural places.

lol at looking for advice at BBV




also this story is still fake

He could have gotten all the background info about Nice from reading blogs and searching for info. The landmarks could be found thru different websites, etc. The hands he lost......c'mon...anyone can make those up! You don't need a Master's in creative writing! Give me a couple of hours & I could easily write something more detailed and add in specific details to make it more believable!

This whole thing couldn't be closer to a scam, level, hoax, or whatever you wanna call it. To be honest, this could be part of a stupid, twisted, unreal prop bet to see if he can get people to believe his story and collect money to pay his "debt". It's amazing what ideas come out after drinking and talking!

LOL, I hope Scar is joking

OP.. i sort of believe your story. But man you played this so so so wrong. First of all , why the hell would you 'play dumb' when someone clearly has robbed you. That is just so ridiculous. Thats not playing dumb, that is actually being dumb. This guy is paying for your living, and staking you racks of cash, and you cant even be up front with him about something that's not even your fault? Doesnt make any sense... the lesson here isn't to be honest, it's to ****ing not tell completely pointless unnecessary lies. Being dishonest would be to have stolen his money THEN played dumb. Ur just dumb.

Second, you couldve proven to him that you didnt steal the money through your actions. If you are really living on the street, sleeping on beaches, eating 1 baguette in 3 days, then you shouldve done all of this right in front of his house. You shouldve stayed on the sidewalk outside his place every hour of every day , so he knows you didnt steal his ****. Actually, how the **** would he think you stole his **** when you dont have anyplace to put it, or any connections in france? Did he think u ran to the bank and deposited it or something? that doesnt make much sense either. But anyways .. whatever assuming this is true, which i see no reason for making this up becasue it doesnt make u seem cool or good at anything really, then you gotta look out for yourself right now. Forget the 30,000 for a while. Save up for yourself.. When and if you are in a position to being paying him back, then you can start paying him back. my 2 cents

Did anyone stop to think that maybe OP did steal the money?

And he made this thread to try to prove to Alex (who he said might read these forums)

Maybe he decided to put the 30k on roulette and lost.

he's not asking u for money... i made a similar post once about losing 15K in my closet, being robbed at gunpoint , and everybody jumped down my throat screaming 'scammer ! ', 'phony!' .. when it was 100% true. I believe op's story , i do not think this was a reverse scam , (lol someone gives you tons of cash and flies you to france to live with them then somehow hypnotizes you to lose your keys then also is betting the entire scam on your good nature to pay you back your said lost money.. come on that is so fkn far fetched its unbelievable) .

if u think this alex character was trying to scam op, then there is a good chance u think that the twin towers were blown up by explosives on the inside.

There is always two sides to the story

OP is most likely changes and left out some important details

We need Alex to post his side

What the hell are you talking about?

Have you missed the last 300 posts?

that would be so sick, extremely unlikely of course

all of your so called contradictions JBS are simply unanswered questions that OP didnt have time or see the reason to go into detail.

except the for the homeless issue, that was an exaggeration of 1 day, that is hardly a reason to believe its fake.

and BloodChoke, you arent understanding how the scam worked, ill refer you to my previous post in the middle of this thread:

the main scam was to get the 10k across, the secondary scam wasnt quite as clear, he prolly hoped OP could make money playing poker while he figured out the best way to scam more money out of him.

(cliffsnote at end)

This is an incomplete list of some inconsistencies I noticed after reading this redic, epic level of a thread. Includes a few points that other posters have mentioned thusfar. (NOT in order of importance):

- OP claims to have left door unlocked to go out and buy lunch and then play basketball at a nearby park before returning to apartment. This means two things: OP did not mind leaving apartment unlocked for longer than was necessary to satisfy hunger; OP either brought a basketball with him (unlikely, as we was out to lunch), or joined people who were playing, indicating that he was not too shy to play pick-up bb in Nice. Regarding last point: when OP was locked out of apartment earlier (and "couldn't manage to get [his] phone to work"), he thought about asking strangers to borrow phone, but "for some reason... decided against it." If I'm extroverted enough to play pick up bb, then I can ask someone to borrow a phone if I'm locked out.

-OP, in the beginning, writes multiple times that he has no legal obligation to pay back aLEX, but he does have a moral obligation. QUITE LATER, OP mentions that aLEX seems to have threatened him: OP reiterates the dangerousness of aLEX multiple times. This obvious fear of serious injury/death is something most people would mention in their OP.

-Furthermore, from last point: if OP actually thinks aLEX is potentially dangerous, why would OP think he has the right/it is safe to bargain with aLEX about repayment of the claimed losses? -Why would OP and aLEX buy a round-trip ticket when they were both expecting OP to crush the European cash games, thus extending his stay?

-OP was very worried about leaving the door unlocked while out for lunch, had his money boldly stolen during this time (robbers left door open LDO), did NOT find his key yet, and then thought up this idea: (this has become increasingly unbelievable to me)

-Robbers left door open LDO

-Robbers knew where to look or money was left in obvious spot, because nothing was visibly disturbed.

-aLEX threatened OP's life at first, and later said this: -aLEX "was forced" to kick OP out of apartment the evening of the incident, but later said OP Where does aLEX think OP is going to live while he spends howeverlong earning 30K+?

-Why would OP go to "every restaurant and every bar in Nice" (LDO) to apply for a job when he is being told repeatedly that he needs a working permit? OP spends the next three "long, hard" days doing exactly the same thing... nothing but looking for restaurant/bar jobs (apparently he missed 3/4 of the restaurants/bars when he visited every one of them the first day).

-OP's ticket to Nice was round trip, and the pair left from Detroit (he got blackout with FRIENDS the night before flight), so why was return ticket to NY only? -Continuing from last quote, WTF is OP doing spending 5 days homeless and eating out of trash when he has friends he can count on for this kind of support?

-This is a figure it out yourself one!
-OP decides to pay aLEX back 30K+ by getting an entry-level job in France instead of going back to Ann Arbor (where he attends school) and working where he LIVES.

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(OP)
(much later post, same meeting with Alex)
-Just a small wording discrepancy:

-OP worked for aLEX for "entire month of May," playing various Stars games. Furthermore, OP insists that he blew his entire online roll the night before trip. Otis_Nixon posted this: CLIFFSNOTE: OP's attempt at leveling BVB wildly successful despite terribly flawed story.

the end