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08-31-2019 , 02:16 PM
Bisping's commentary during the fight was some of the funniest ever

"She can't stay in the pocket like that because Andrade LOVES TO FIGHT LIKE THIS!"

..as Zhang pieced her up 29 strikes landed vs 4 for Andrade.
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09-06-2019 , 07:40 AM
Khabib makes weight. Dustin does too.

I don’t get the Covington-Usman negotiations problems. If they headline they will get 250-450k each. What is there to negotiate? They aren’t big draws. I guess there’s the undisclosed stuff...but damn. Ariel tweeted about Usman-Masvidal at MSG. So it sounds like Colby is holding things up.
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09-06-2019 , 10:03 AM
Prediction: JOJO will punch Lee so fast that Joe Rogan will have to yell "SHE TAGGED HER" at nearly the speed of light. This will cause his head to ignite, and the resulting explosion will rain pure DMT on everyone within a 50 mile radius.


I guarantee it with my life.
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09-06-2019 , 12:48 PM
Colby never lost his interim belt so probably wants champion ppv points and they are refusing.
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09-06-2019 , 01:57 PM
yeah and Colby is a way bigger name than Usman whether you like him or hate him. He would really drive that card.

No one cares about Usman. People just found out who he was 6 months ago.

Hopefully the fight happens, don't really want to see Masvidal/Usman as I don't think it is that competitive as great as Masvidal has been.
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09-06-2019 , 05:39 PM
Yeah I mean im not falling over myself to watch Colby vs Usman but in terms of rankings and merit that is the fight that needs to happen for the belt. As far as im concerned the main event of the MSG card should either be Colby vs Usman or Diaz vs Masvidal. Theres just no reason to take 2 fights that people want to see and rip them up to make 1 fight that isnt as big a draw.

Dream scenario for me would actually be they make Masvidal vs Diaz for the 165 title. I know Dana is dead set against making a new division but I think they need something between LW and WW.
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09-06-2019 , 08:55 PM
If Colby vs Usman and Masvidal vs Diaz doesn’t happen Dana is a ****ing complete joke.
I get trying to keep fighter pay down overall and have everything be about brand vs individual fighters but it’s getting to much. Make some compelling fights already UFC, it’s so rare now to be incredibly amped up for a card or main event. UFC is unbelievably bad at branding fighters and their overall product branding is just godawful . It’s the exact opposite of what today’s pop culture/media wants.
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09-06-2019 , 09:29 PM
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Dream scenario for me would actually be they make Masvidal vs Diaz for the 165 title. I know Dana is dead set against making a new division but I think they need something between LW and WW.
I really don't understanding the logic of creating another weight division simply to give title shots to 2 guys that don't even deserve title shots in their current weight division. Someday there will be a 165lb division. However, if one guy competing for the inaugural title is 2-2 in his last 4 fights and the other fighter just fought for the 1st time in 3 years then it's probably best that they put the brakes on that for the time being.

Personally, I'd rather see fighters actually earn titles rather than just be gifted shots because they are marketable. I don't see why that fight needs to be a title fight anyways. I prefer Nate's idea of fighting for the baddest mother****er in the world belt. Nate's not a company guy, so don't make him one. Masvidal's from the streets. This fight doesn't need some belt to make it a big draw.

There is no set rule that a non-title fight can't headline over a title fight. Does it diminish the UFC title in someway? I'd say less so than choosing title fights based on popularity rather than legitimate rankings.

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If Colby vs Usman and Masvidal vs Diaz doesn’t happen Dana is a ****ing complete joke.
I get trying to keep fighter pay down overall and have everything be about brand vs individual fighters but it’s getting to much. Make some compelling fights already UFC, it’s so rare now to be incredibly amped up for a card or main event. UFC is unbelievably bad at branding fighters and their overall product branding is just godawful . It’s the exact opposite of what today’s pop culture/media wants.
I think these fights will happen but if they don't I'm not sure all the blame goes on Dana. A lot of it probably goes to UFC ownership (WME) as well. I agree with you about branding and I think a lot of the fault there lies with WME.
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09-06-2019 , 09:48 PM
Maybe after McGregor/Rousey got paid and basically dipped, they decided that putting the machine behind fighters just to have them make a ton of bank and either never fight or barely fight just isn't worth it. Especially when you factor in that the fighters could lose/bust and you don't even get the initial return on your investment.

I know GSP has said the reason they won't make him vs Khabib is because they know he's not fighting much so what is the point in doing a superfight where he could win and it hurts Khabib when he's just not going to play by their rules or fight again?

Agree though, they're really killing the product in North America. Not too many people ask me about fights anymore compared to 3-4 years ago. Although I guess that is anecdotal.
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09-07-2019 , 01:47 AM
If they want to end the year with a bang it should be something like this...

243 MSG

Main
Jon Jones vs ????
Stipe vs Ngannou
Nunes vs bad ass girl matchup idk about

Co-Main
Usman vs Covington (weak headliner..strong co-main)

Diaz vs Masvidal

Do you guys think Jones and Stipe either defend here or at the 245 Dec 14 Vegas card ?

Last edited by ReliableSource; 09-07-2019 at 01:53 AM.
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09-07-2019 , 09:38 AM
Looks like its Diaz vs Masvidal as the main event and there will be no title fights on the card as they dont want a title fight to be co-main to a non title fight. I guess that makes sense. Im happy they went in this direction. Nice to see them putting on a fight that the vast majority of fans want to see.

Atm with todays card im currently at the stage where I think Poirier might be able to win only for the fight to actually start and realise I was severely mistaken.
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09-07-2019 , 10:52 AM
How funny would it be if Colby vs Usman was co main of MSG to Masvial vs Diaz, that would just be so strange but i could see it happening.
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09-07-2019 , 11:34 AM
You have to use first names to calculate odds. Nurmagomedov vs. Poirier sounds like an even fight. Khabib vs.Dustin is no contest.
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09-07-2019 , 12:54 PM
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I really don't understanding the logic of creating another weight division simply to give title shots to 2 guys that don't even deserve title shots in their current weight division. Someday there will be a 165lb division. However, if one guy competing for the inaugural title is 2-2 in his last 4 fights and the other fighter just fought for the 1st time in 3 years then it's probably best that they put the brakes on that for the time being.

Personally, I'd rather see fighters actually earn titles rather than just be gifted shots because they are marketable. I don't see why that fight needs to be a title fight anyways. I prefer Nate's idea of fighting for the baddest mother****er in the world belt. Nate's not a company guy, so don't make him one. Masvidal's from the streets. This fight doesn't need some belt to make it a big draw.

There is no set rule that a non-title fight can't headline over a title fight. Does it diminish the UFC title in someway? I'd say less so than choosing title fights based on popularity rather than legitimate rankings.



I think these fights will happen but if they don't I'm not sure all the blame goes on Dana. A lot of it probably goes to UFC ownership (WME) as well. I agree with you about branding and I think a lot of the fault there lies with WME.
Most of the branding stuff was implemented pre sale - also I'm pretty sure Dana has a HUGE amount of control over the product compared to Ari and Patrick
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09-07-2019 , 04:06 PM
Would love to see Poirier win but think Khabib probably too much for him.

Khabib's lack of comp for a champ is still legitimate but Poirier couldn't even stay on his feet but Alvarez, just hard to see him making this competitive but hope I'm wrong.
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09-07-2019 , 04:10 PM
anyone with a decent stream please PM me
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09-07-2019 , 04:11 PM
Crazy decision there.
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09-07-2019 , 04:25 PM
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Most of the branding stuff was implemented pre sale - also I'm pretty sure Dana has a HUGE amount of control over the product compared to Ari and Patrick
Yeah, and they have done nothing to improve it. WME was supposed to bring a lot of expertise the Fertittas lacked in order to take the UFC to the next level but they've brought next to nothing to the table. In some ways the UFC has regressed. They've been very fortunate that the business conditions have been super favorable (ie high dollar value for live sports content at the moment)
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09-07-2019 , 04:38 PM
Some crazy wild swinging there by Poirier. Looks like he punched himself out.
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09-07-2019 , 04:45 PM
Khabib is just a beast.
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09-07-2019 , 04:45 PM
Poirier gave up and looked for a way out.
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09-07-2019 , 04:53 PM
Poirier gave up? McChicken would have tapped in 3 spots Poirier didn't.
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09-07-2019 , 04:54 PM
Yes, after his failed haymakers and the guillotine he was done and looking to get out of there.
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09-07-2019 , 05:02 PM
Does Khabib's suffocating style cause his opponents to make mistakes? Must be so frustrating that even when he's not doing damage, he completely shuts them down.
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09-07-2019 , 05:03 PM
Predictable outcome. Now hurry up and get in there vs Ferguson & let's see who the real king of the 155lb division truly is.
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