Romero is elite and probably the best fighter in the division. Only thing stopping him is Father Time. Weidman is also elite, his recent record is abysmal but he faced top notch competitors. Weidman beat Kelvin handily everywhere and that’s something no one has done, not even Woodley. The talent at the top of this division is very close In skill level.

Kelvin lit Weidman up on the feet. Kelvin beat Woodley imo - was a horrible, horrible fight tho.

Mousasi might be the best MW alive fwiw.

Who's the last person Romero has taken down and dominated with wrestling? MMA fans really disrespect kickboxing imo.

If Romero was to fight a cruiserweight boxing champ you guys would give him no chance in a pure boxing fight but yet vs a kickboxer like Israel yall think he would win when he isn't content on using his wrestling, such disrespect tis not even funny.

Romero kickboxing skills are non existent, the only thing he has going for him is he can explode & hurt you & vs inexperienced strikers like Weidman & Whittaker he can catch you. Vs a prime A.Silva or Israel he would look really really bad.

There was a time when MMA was filled with huge, explosive heavyweights but then came USADA & everyone got deflated. Every single athlete in sports who looks huge & ripped is on steroids, literally every one of them.

This is a valid point. Romero's wrestling has never looked that great in MMA. This was a frequent criticism of him early in his career. He did have 7 takedowns over 10 rounds against Whitaker in losing efforts. Other than that he's only scored more than 2 takedowns twice in the UFC. 3 takedowns vs Tim Kennedy and 7 takedowns vs Brad Tavares, both back in 2014.

He'd have a chance if they were using MMA gloves.

Vs a kickboxer in an MMA match. I guess I'd be really shocked if Yoel didn't have a wrestling focused gameplan going into a fight vs Israel. That being said, I agree with you in regards to Yoel's general willingness to stand and his inability to transition his olympic wrestling skills to MMA. I don't think that fight would be a given either way.

As an aside, I believe the talent in boxing to be much higher than that of kickboxing. I've even heard Alistair Overeem call kickboxing the minor leagues for the UFC (because UFC pays a lot better).

There was? By filled do you mean there were like 2 of them?

Shane Carwin, Brock, Ubereem, Crocop, Fedor, Kevin Randleman, Ken Shamrock, Vitor, Mark Coleman & many others were all juiced to the gills back in the days and were athletic monsters. Post USADA Vitor had a dad bod at 185lbs, steroids does some amazing things.

I agree there were a lot more on steroids but most of the guys you mentioned weren't huge for heavyweight. Most of them were tweeners. Even Mark Coleman roided to the gills was between 240 and 250lbs.

How many 250lb men are shredded and play professional sports? Lebron & Dwight Howard are the only two men i can think of in the entire NBA & NFL has tonnes of fatties & it's a league filled with roids. Arnold schwarzenager(i'm not google that spelling hahha) was 6'1 230 & juiced to the gills in his prime. It's not natural to be a lean man under 7 foot & weigh 250+.

Nah, there's a lot more than that. You're just a casual fan. Bam Adebayo is huge, there's numerous ripped bigs.

Hell, look at Enes Kanter (who's something of a punchline):

Talking of huge roided up dudes in combat sport - I recall many years ago they had this event in WWF (that was) called "Brawl for all" (I think, I'm too lazy to look it up). This was genuine boxing, over short time periods, with huge wresting stars. My god they were hopeless, so slow and gassing out in minutes. Butterbean took on the winner and I was worried that he killed him with a horrible knock out. That's the first time, as a young kid, I really got why the heavyweight champ didn't look like the biggest WWF stars.

Average NFL LB weighs 245 and they're all shredded and have to be very fast.

Re sentence #2: I agree, but I also think much of the same can be said for people who are huge & not ripped.

That was great. I still don't understand how WWE came to the conclusion that it was a good idea to throw one of its superstars into a short round boxing match against butterbean of all people. https://www.wwe.com/videos/butterbea...restlemania-xv

BTW, years later Butterbean moved onto MMA where he amassed a 17-10-1 record.

Primo Carnera was his name.

6'5 1/2", 85" reach



Had some power but definitely a glass jaw for a man of his size. Max Baer, a fighter 54 pounds lighter than Carnera knocked him down 10 times in an 11 round fight which as far as I know is a record for a world title fight.

The fight against Butterbean was actually Vince's way of punishing Bart Gunn. You see, Bart Gunn was supposed to lose to "Dr. Death" Steve Williams and put him over as the new big name in pro wrestling. Williams was considered a huge favorite to win regardless. However, Williams tore his hamstring during the fight and Gunn knocked him out. After getting knocked out by Butterbean, Gunn was released by the WWE and began wrestling in Japan.

BelLOLator main event tonigbt ended on a kick to the nuts from Mitrione 15 seconds into the fight they couldn’t be recovered from no contest

I laughed

As well you should

Roy Nelson v Mirko Cro Cop about to start bellator is so ****in hilarious with their washed fighters

43 year old Cheick Kongo just won a highly disputable decision win he arguably lost 3-0

Lmao what is this abomination we are four limited into the first round Paul Daley HAS LITERALLY NOT THROWN ONE PUNCH

I swear on my life Daley threw his first punch with two seconds left in the round


Edit- don’t think that was actually a punch

Canceling the **** out of DAZN after this card for a few months

Tomorrows UFC card is going to make Bellator look like trash.

I don’t think that’s difficult

Bellator is just journeymen, washed legends or UFC vets and overhyped “prospects” with the exception of like Mousasi McDonald and Bader and that’s about it. No good boxing cards on the app anytime soon so tkme to cancel for sure. Tonight was horrible lol.

I was annoyed about a card being in Prague the day after I was planning to leave. Then I saw that I recognized only one of the fighters on the entire card lol

Nice one....that's a fascinating part of WWE history to me.

Looking at the video again, it's amazing how fast Butterbeans hand's were for a big lump like that.

Damn, that first Barverena/Laque round was nuts.

Loque/Bam Bam was Fight of the year so far!

Not sure I've ever seen CTE develop so quickly since Lawler/Rory. Damn that was good.