reports are saying the vaccines aren't doing much either and omnicron fortunately also seems a lot more mild so far.
at least tell the entire story.

It actually makes sense that if it's good at evading one it's good at evading the other.

9 vaccinated players on a 15 man roster and nobody even directly responds to your post. But if it was one player with covid who happened to be unvaxxed he'd be getting roasted, especially if it was a good player.

Responded to what? Again, time flows in one direction, and vaccine efficacy is inversely related to it. Even if 100% of the NBA was vaxxed, we would, eventually, see some breakthrough cases. That's just how it is.

It's less likely, but certainly non-zero, that vaxxed people will contract covid. Sucks, but again, it's a mathematical certainty.

The report that showed that was a preprint, and it just applied to symptomatic cases, not to severe infection.

It's just some rare number that is close to non-zero though. It's going to be the entire ****ing league eventually. Which is fine and you're right and we've known this. It's not "new information" and the discussion around vaccines and what they do has been so dishonest from the beginning

Do you just ignore stuff like what suzzer posted above?

I kind of agree with this statement. In the past he would attempt to come across as a decent human being and not a huge douchebag. This year he DGAF and showing everyone what a huge douche and scumbag he really is.

vaccine protects amazingly well against bad outcomes. it doesnt prevent the spread. its pretty clear there was never any chance at herd immunity or that full vaccination would eradicate the virus.

lfc is actually correct that the promotion of this was dishonest. I can buy that it wasnt a nefarious plot from the beginning. at first they truly thought that full vaccination would end Covid. but they had to know from the outset that there was a very good chance of the current situation. and certainly within a few months they knew.

this was turned into a partisan political talking point right away by bOth SiDeS.

as usual I blame the right wing and the national media for creating and feeding it. but the libs response was to push back on any possible negatives of the vaccine which a lot of times was dishonest.

Vaccines certainly aren’t a silver bullet that prevents one from being infected and spreading COVID that was hoped for initially. It is however been shown to decrease the chance being infected and more importantly infecting others.

Nope. Those people all had the opportunity to get the vaccine and chose not to. That's on them. It has nothing to do with Aaron Rodgers or Kyrie Irving getting vaccinated or unvaccinated people following different protocols.

Just as a nit, I'm curious if "unvaccinated" that tweet refers to never having received any vaccine? Or not being up to date on whatever booster we're on now and/or not within 14 days of having received a vaccine. lol anecdote but I know nurses and they are saying they are seeing a significant amount of vaccinated people in the ICU. Just doesn't make headlines

It really doesn't decrease your chance of infecting others though. We're seeing fully vaccinated people around fully vaccinated people in locker rooms and they're literally having outbreaks. Like this is exactly what the vaccine should be preventing based on the stuff we've been told from day 1. We also have more cases now, with the vaccine having been available for over a year, in many places. It's just such irresponsible, goal post shifting science that was passed off as a fact that could not be questioned or criticized from the very beginning. If you think you're gonna die if you get COVID, get the shot. Otherwise move on.

Science shouldn't be about "hope" it should be about proven, reproduceable facts.

All studies point to the opposite so I'm curious what you're basing this on

He has to deny this otherwise he’d have to admit he’s a POS.

I agree with all of this.
Both sides are a joke.

It's to the point where someone who is healthy and 24 and wonders why they should take it,wants to know about clotting and heart issues it can cause (rare but this stuff is absolutely being under reported) just gets thrown in the same category as lunatics who think this is all some grand conspiracy with bill Gates putting microchips in the vax to track us.

Ok. In the locker room setting, for which Aaron Rodgers and Kyrie Irving are a part of, it doesn't seem to be doing the opposite. Maybe some studies should be done in those settings. The vaccine should literally be preventing these outbreaks in team after team. It's not. And to continue to say it does is both dangerous and dishonest.

Can you link me to a study you're referring to? The ones I've read that conclude it significantly reduces the spread have all had suspect methodology and conclusions that were theories rather than definitive fact. We're burying our head in science ideology and not paying attention to what is actually literally happening.

Study of over 800,000 Swedish households show that unvaccinated family members had 45-97% lower risk of contracting covid as the number of immune family members increased

LOL at including natural immunity in a study designed to show the efficacy of the vaccine. But yea I'm with it. Obviously people with natural immunity should be treated no differently than vaccinated people. This study is already looking outdated too. It predicted pandemic control and herd immunity. The ranges are far too broad. Yea when you actually read these studies they raise a lot of questions. And that's the problem. Very few people actually read these studies and just digest the headline which is accepted as fact. I just wish these were scrutinized as thoroughly as anything that suggests the vaccine might not be as effective as we thought.

I hope we do an honest study into the outbreak amongst fully vaccinated locker room after fully vaccinated locker room (which is similar to the family setting this study tries to assess) and question why this study isn't reproduceable in that setting. I guess we can just keep calling them "extremely rare" breakthrough outbreaks like we did with positive COVID tests amongst fully vaccinated people before we admitted that they can still get it despite being vaccinated (which was denied and considered extremely rare for a long time)

I have plenty of others, you have yet to provide anything except locker rooms.
The predictions of the study are irrelevant to the results.
You mean 45-97%? It's based on the number of other family members that are immune, one additional member is 45% reduction, four members in a household of five is a 97% reduction.
Do you have any further ones?
They're peer reviewed. Again, I have plenty of others which show lower delta infection rates from vaccinated as well however they're going through peer review now.
Who says it's not? I'm not sure if professional athletes/teams/organisations would be on board with it, and the sample size would be tiny.

Ok, so then you will concede that natural immunity should be treated the same as artificial immunity as per the study you sent me?

As for the locker rooms, do you think these are just extremely rare breakthrough outbreaks? Do you think we will continue to see more of the same? Do you think the vaccine is effective in these situations in terms of stopping the spread? Can you imagine if there was an outbreak amongst an unvaccinated team and how it would be reported vs. how the Hornets, Bulls, Flames (all just this past week), etc... are being reported and covered?

The study was only looking at rates of infecting others not catching it yourself. From what I've read people who have had covid previously are more likely to catch it again vs someone fully vaccinated, but those are from CDC and based on the chatter so far in this thread I won't bother posting those.

No, they're not extremely rare. Yes we'll see more of the same, especially as more variants are discovered and efficacy of the vaccine reduces over time. I think the vaccine is effective in reducing the spread, not stopping it - there are no absolutes

Of course not. I think having natural immunity is effective in reducing the spread, not stopping it. I completely agree there are no absolutes. From day 1 this has been treated as an absolute though and it's not nearly that simple. That is playing out over time and as you rightly say will continue to play out over time.

so the whole Browns team is positive eh

How many sports teams are basically shut down with full outbreaks now? I'm losing count. Are we still banging the vaccine significantly lessens your chance of getting and spreading it drum?

Just off the top of my head this past week we've got Nets, Bucks, Hornets, Bulls, some lol hockey teams(Canucks, Flames), Browns, Rams, Tottenham, Watford, Norwich and plenty more!

Fully vaccinated COVID positive rapidly spreading it in a fully vaccinated setting. The science told me this wouldn't happen