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10-01-2017 , 11:44 AM
P,

Look up "banality of evil" and then delete your post.
10-01-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by patron
This has been getting a lot of love, but it's only half right.

The phrase the "banality of awval" sounds good, but it covers up the problem. He may very well be a "normal, slightly dull, every day guy who happens to support reprehensible politicians and policy" - but this is a huge, enormous problem. People who support reprehensible politicians and policy are indeed monsters who are literally supporting evil. The fact that there are so many of them does not excuse their behavior or make them any less monstrous.

People who supported slavery during the Civil War were indeed monsters supporting evil. Trump supporters today are indeed literally supporting evil being done.

Sometimes they simply ignore it, or sometimes they even acknowledge the evil being done, and yet excuse it in their political cult leader or even attempt to defend his indefensible attitudes and behavior - perhaps because they seek to excuse and defend their own indefensible attitudes and behavior. This is monstrous. This is wrong. This is evil.
So what's your plan patron?

Mass murder of Trump voters?

Monsters supporting evil. Equating them to people supporting slavery.

It's just so laughable that you cannot fathom people have different political beliefs.
10-01-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
So what's your plan patron?

Mass murder of Trump voters?

Monsters supporting evil. Equating them to people supporting slavery.

It's just so laughable that you cannot fathom people have different political beliefs.
Shaming you and marginalizing your views is a good start.
10-01-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
So what's your plan patron?

Mass murder of Trump voters?

Monsters supporting evil. Equating them to people supporting slavery.

It's just so laughable that you cannot fathom people have different political beliefs.
Too general, in my opinion. Isn't slavery just a different political belief?
10-01-2017 , 11:55 AM
Lol Tillerson is a putz if he stays in the job.
10-01-2017 , 11:55 AM
And lol ianaww, I wasn't starting another general argument about less v fewer. I was pointing out that youre misusing the rule. Even among devotees of the rule, there's exceptions carved out for time, money, distance and weight. I weigh less than 200 pounds, not fewer. 100 dollars is not fewer than 200 dollars, it is less. Etc etc. See for example: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/edu...s-versus-fewer

I realise that it's a pretty shoddy prescriptive rule when even advocates have to carve out huge exceptions for no reason other than that using the prescriptive rule sounds dismally wrong, but that's what happens when you take a rule some guy just made up one day and try to shoehorn it into the language as actually employed.
10-01-2017 , 11:59 AM
Even though I disagree with a social/right wing conservatism their political beliefs aren't "evil".

Pro-life... it's not evil
Limit immigration... it's not evil
Close borders... it's not evil
Tax cuts for the rich... it's not evil

Wrong is not the same as evil.
10-01-2017 , 12:03 PM
Lol all 4 of those are pretty clearly evil if you even take a second to think about it.
10-01-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Even though I disagree with a social/right wing conservatism their political beliefs aren't "evil".

Pro-life... it's not evil
Limit immigration... it's not evil
Close borders... it's not evil
Tax cuts for the rich... it's not evil

Wrong is not the same as evil.
Are you people trained in false equivalence at some secret institute?
10-01-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Even though I disagree with a social/right wing conservatism their political beliefs aren't "evil".

Pro-life... it's not evil
Limit immigration... it's not evil
Close borders... it's not evil
Tax cuts for the rich... it's not evil

Wrong is not the same as evil.
Just as an example, yes, closing the borders to refugees is evil, full stop.
10-01-2017 , 12:06 PM
Yeah, those are all evil.

And conservatives aren't "pro-life", they're "pro-birth". Very important distinction.
10-01-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Lol all 4 of those are pretty clearly evil if you even take a second to think about it.
Hahahahahahaha

Where to start?

It's unbelievable that you cannot even fathom other people's beliefs. Just stone cold ****ing evil.

Do you understand how asinine it would be to say European social democracy is "evil".
10-01-2017 , 12:08 PM
Awvals post does a great job of cutting at the foundational difference between the right and left.

The left defines evil as something that is net bad for the most number of people, regardless of race, class or nationality.

The right defies evil as something that is net bad for white, rich, male Christians.
10-01-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...97947517227008
Openly undermining your own State Department is a bold move
10-01-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Even though I disagree with a social/right wing conservatism their political beliefs aren't "evil".

Pro-life... it's not evil
Limit immigration... it's not evil
Close borders... it's not evil
Tax cuts for the rich... it's not evil

Wrong is not the same as evil.
Very general again. Will you admit they can be evil depending on the details?
10-01-2017 , 12:09 PM
This is why Trump is President.
10-01-2017 , 12:11 PM
lol, you're not difficult to fathom, bro. Like, remember when you pretended to be an Obama voter and we all saw through that bull**** immediately?
10-01-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Hahahahahahaha

Where to start?

It's unbelievable that you cannot even fathom other people's beliefs. Just stone cold ****ing evil.

Do you understand how asinine it would be to say European social democracy is "evil".
You literally picked the four most evil planks of the right.

Had you said regulatory reform, less government intrusion and states rights you might have had a case.
10-01-2017 , 12:12 PM
Literally if you do not hold Liberal beliefs you are Evil.

And sure I can take it, but others rebel.

And now Donald Trump is President.
10-01-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
This is why Trump is President.
Agree. Empathy free selfish people like you is why he is president.
10-01-2017 , 12:12 PM
awval, does Trump have your vote in 2020?
10-01-2017 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Literally if you do not hold Liberal beliefs you are Evil.

And sure I can take it, but others rebel.

And now Donald Trump is President.
Nice try. Read closer. Your audience here is not stupid fox viewers so your false equivalence and straw men are not going to fly.
10-01-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Hahahahahahaha

Where to start?

It's unbelievable that you cannot even fathom other people's beliefs. Just stone cold ****ing evil.

Do you understand how asinine it would be to say European social democracy is "evil".

Forcing people to have unwanted babies is evil as well as being incredibly damaging to society as a whole. Doubly evil when you refuse to provide the mothers/families with proper assistance.

Not lifting a finger to human beings suffering in other countries when you are the richest and most powerful country in the world is very much evil.

Giving rich people more money at the expense of poor people is about as evil it gets.

Hope this helps.
10-01-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Dude. What have you done?
Sorry
10-01-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
So what's your plan patron?

Mass murder of Trump voters?

Monsters supporting evil. Equating them to people supporting slavery.

It's just so laughable that you cannot fathom people have different political beliefs.
I can and do fathom it. Some political beliefs are evil. Supporting slavery was also a "different political belief."

I did not equate that to the current situation, I intentionally used a more extreme example in order to demonstrate how wrong and evil it is to support reprehensible politicians and policies.

The current situation may be less extreme, but it is still wrong and evil. You are currently supporting a President who could have done far more to save lives and chose not to do so but instead to go golfing, attack the victims and advocates for the victims, and care more about debt than people dying. You refuse to criticize his failure of a response and instead talk about future infrastructure and possible blame for Congress.

Shaming these views and exposing them for the monstrous attitudes they are, is an appropriate response to reading them. Perhaps instead of shrugging off this criticism as if the only alternative is "mass murder of Trump voters," you should instead say, yes, Trump has been a complete disaster in this case and others, and our country and government should be doing all that they can do save the lives of millions of Americans that are at stake.

And that is just one current situation. All of the atrocity shown by Trump and highlighted and discussed in this thread, is more than enough to demonstrate the evil attitudes, words, and actions that he has promoted and is promoting in others. Anyone supporting him is indeed supporting evil. Perhaps take a moment to reflect on that before you respond with inane questions.

      
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