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2. Before America existed... slavery was to the world what apple pie is to America. Excuse me, I misspoke. Slavery was and still is to the world what America is to apple pie. Slavery was the norm before written history and there are millions of slaves all over the planet today in 2017. Native Americans were so busy butchering each other and enslaving each other for 10,000 years...... they didn't even have time to make something as simple as the wheel.

lol

so much wrong

I'll just tackle the wheel comment

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The Incas, for instance, are thought to have used wooden rollers to haul the giant stones they used to build their cities. Unfortunately, the New World suffered from a conspicuous scarcity of draft animals. The only beast of burden known in the Americas was the llama, a delicate critter restricted to certain parts of the Andes, which was used solely as a pack animal. Without draft animals you cannot do extensive hauling with sledges, and without sledges it will never occur to you that the wheel would be a handy thing to have.

08-16-2017 , 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

I think you're missing an important distinction: In the time of Jefferson, slavery was considered "natural" in most of the world. In the time of Lee, most of the world, including the U.S., had already condemned slavery as evil.

I don't think that's really right. First, they are only 60 years apart. But. I think to a degree abolition was a fair topic among top public leaders at the time of the revolution and it was more entrenched leading up to the civil war. John Adams an abolitionist, was POTUS. In Lincoln's time it was politically difficult to unapologetically be an abolitionist.

Ben Franklin, James Madison, Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams....I think most of the non-Southern founding fathers were abolitionists.

08-16-2017 , 08:50 PM

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prana

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What the **** are you talking about? Busts out the Native American racism within 3 posts. just lol

08-16-2017 , 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CarterP

Not going to respond though because I have rheumatoid arthritis in my fingers

Oh?

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Originally Posted by CarterP

On 2+2...

Robert E. Lee = Hitler

Or is he worse than Hitler?

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Originally Posted by CarterP

Did the Cherokee, Navajo, hopi, apache, and Navajo figure out what the Incas did?

Native American tribes weren't at war with one another raping, enslaving etc?

No canniablization? So much progress before Columbus shows up.

Anyways, my point is you wouldn't even be here without the founding fathers. So shut up. Pick your battles more wisely.

LOL

08-16-2017 , 08:50 PM

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Always a good sign when the first thing someone does when they sign up to a poker forum is make a handful of posts in the politics section

You guys are so easily baited. Why do you waste your time?

08-16-2017 , 08:53 PM

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Noze

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I want to read more about the Butterfly Effect of the Founding Fathers preventing me from becoming an online cannibal.

Or something.

08-16-2017 , 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Always a good sign when the first thing someone does when they sign up to a poker forum is make a handful of posts in the politics section

You guys are so easily baited. Why do you waste your time?

This, just ignore him and he should be banned on the spot.

08-16-2017 , 08:56 PM

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Jbrochu

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He violated Fly's Law right out of the gate with the old, "just gonna ask some questions" gambit and I knew right then it was all downhill from there.

08-16-2017 , 08:57 PM

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FlyWf

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08-16-2017 , 08:59 PM

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goofyballer

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Originally Posted by CarterP

Want to go after Lee? Fine...

But if you are really going to go after our founders? You will die.

lol we got a real internet warrior on our hands here

08-16-2017 , 09:00 PM

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jjshabado

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Well that escalated fast.

08-16-2017 , 09:01 PM

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Noze

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Funnily enough, a bunch of liberals did go out to protest a ton of Lee fanatics (et al...) and one ended up dead anyway. No word on her opinion of the clearly timeless Jefferson/Hemings romance.

08-16-2017 , 09:02 PM

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prana

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Wonder if new guy knows that there were plenty of countries without slavery by the time America abolished it. Apple pie!

08-16-2017 , 09:02 PM

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Hi guys, big fan of the forum, been reading since the Tommy Angelo days, finally decided to jump in.

1. So, like, whats with George Soros paying all these violent libs to incite violence? I heard he is part of a (((globalist))) plot to destroy America, thoughts?

2. I heard a black guy shot a police officer in Dallas. When will the left DO something about the violent extremists among them?

3. Why are you all so mad about Colin Kapernick not having a job?

4. Also, why aren't you super mad that eugenics guy from Google got fired?

Curious.

08-16-2017 , 09:03 PM

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08-16-2017 , 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CarterP

Want to go after Lee? Fine...

But if you are really going to go after our founders? You will die.

Naw, your arthritic fingers can't even pull the trigger.

08-16-2017 , 09:06 PM

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OmgGlutten!

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Do you think that black people agree that it is an important distinction?

1. Many founding fathers were against slavery
2. Many of the slaving founding fathers wrote about how much they despised slavery and why it should be stopped, while still practicing it (concern over legacy and public perception) which seems to contradict your argument.

08-16-2017 , 09:08 PM

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Incredibly, I thought gay marriage was completely fine in like 2000 and 2004, when the GOP used the issue to turn out the bigot vote. What do I win?

08-16-2017 , 09:12 PM

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ChrisV

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Here in Australia we didn't have the Founding Fathers and as a result we are all still cannibals. I'm fine with it.

08-16-2017 , 09:14 PM

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I don't think the Brits should be too haughty about slavery in the US. It was their slave colony! The southern plantation owners were the royalists(fascists) that were left behind. The whole system was set up for you to get cheap agricultural products and then serve as a market for your manufactured goods. It was hard to undo and probably couldn't be overturned until the manpower supplied by fleeing Irish were up to the task.

08-16-2017 , 09:14 PM

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Chips Ahoy

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It's a dingo eat dingo world out there.

08-16-2017 , 09:19 PM

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cuserounder

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Hmmm, a Tuesday (?) rally scheduled just now for next week. Wanna take bets he brings racist **** up to energize a stadium full of white trash?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...74118959783937

Hmm, so all you need to sign up is a phone number. Is there a reason there's not a campaign to make up a bunch of Google Phone numbers and register? It appears to be free, so it sells out super quick and they brag about it, only to show up to a 75% empty venue. Granted I haven't clicked through to register and it may not be free.

I guess the counter-argument is that they can sell the phone numbers and thus even giving them fake numbers is helping them raise money.

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It almost makes you wonder why we seem to have more monuments to the founding fathers who were pro-slavery than to the ones who were abolitionists... It's almost like there was a concerted effort!

08-16-2017 , 09:23 PM

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The real winners of the Trump presidency

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It’s completely impossible to ignore Trump’s outrages and provocations on race, especially in light of the quite literally deadly consequences they can have. The Trump show as a culture war phenomenon is repugnant.

But it serves a real function, maintaining Trump’s electoral base without requiring him to take the trouble of helping them or to put in the work to convince them that his business-friendly policymaking is actually correct. The interests of the wealthy are being served at the expense of children’s neurological development, funding for higher education and health care, consumers’ interest in fair investment opportunities, internet users’ privacy rights, and dozens of other public interest priorities. The failure of much of the public to see that is integral to Trump’s mass political support, but the business community’s acute awareness of it is integral to his continued backing by congress and the institutional Republican Party.

Those of us who are troubled by what Trump is doing to American culture and national identity need to clearly identify and understand the full constellation of forces that drive Trumpism and derive concrete material benefits from Trump’s presence in office. Trump’s racial war is real, but the real winners are flying private jets, not marching with torches.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ism-plutocracy

08-16-2017 , 09:25 PM

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grizy

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Bovada is now only paying +120 if Trump finishes his first term. -110 for Trump resignation.

Bovada is now paying +250 if Trump gets re-elected.

ONE TIME