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08-16-2017 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I don't think the Brits should be too haughty about slavery in the US. It was their slave colony! The southern plantation owners were the royalists(fascists) that were left behind. The whole system was set up for you to get cheap agricultural products and then serve as a market for your manufactured goods. It was hard to undo and probably couldn't be overturned until the manpower supplied by fleeing Irish were up to the task.
The british involvement in the slave trade was disgusting. Vast wealth was created from it.

Some deserve credit for seeking to end it on moral grounds. Wiberforce for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce

When we talk about reparations, it's the UK as well. e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...reparations-qa
08-16-2017 , 11:38 PM
If the Trump presidency never becomes as bad as the Bush presidency, it will only be because Trump is so much worse at being president than Bush.
08-16-2017 , 11:40 PM


Well Bannon's never getting fired.
08-16-2017 , 11:44 PM
Trump already figured out Bannon was a leaker, but now it's public info. Hmmm.
08-16-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bleh


Well Bannon's never getting fired.
This seems too easy. Is he that dumb? I'm not buying it.
08-16-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Corker ****ed up. If Democrats don't pounce on this and run ads using this clip, they're stupid. (So obviously they won't.)
I'm starting to maybe think that you guys just work in advertising and are not really this clueless.

But yeah, the DNC bizarrely running ads against a guy who got more than twice as many votes as his closest challenger and hasn't even yet announced he's seeking reelection in an election 15 months away would be worse than stupid. Ads aren't this magical potion you think they are. 99.99% chance any NFL week 1 off election year ad blitz (or anti Corker ad without knowing who the dem nominee even is) would be the same as lighting your very very limited funds on fire.
08-16-2017 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bleh
If this was a fair chart, there'd be a **** ton more hoods than just trump.
08-16-2017 , 11:48 PM
Wait for it...
08-16-2017 , 11:48 PM
"He'll be fired tomorrow"

Anyone else literally lol at this? I mean, maybe Kristol knows something I don't, but like, I don't see a scenario where Donald Trump can understand why this undermines the foreign policy of the US government, let alone a scenario where he cares about it.
08-16-2017 , 11:55 PM
i lol'd. he just bent over backwards to appease the brightbart crowd
08-17-2017 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Here in Australia we didn't have the Founding Fathers and as a result we are all still criminals. I'm fine with it.
fyp
08-17-2017 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
i lol'd. he just bent over backwards to appease the brightbart crowd
That article is a plant imo.
08-17-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
The Bush admin fired several US Attorneys for refusing to sign off on memos related to voter fraud.


I'm talking more foundational pillars of the US democracy. Trump is chipping away at institutions and norms that no previous president has come remotely close to. I think there's very real and very lasting damage there.

I understand though that it's not as concrete as many of the actions the Bush administration took. So certainly it's reasonable to say that Bush was worse. But I think it's debatable.

Last edited by jjshabado; 08-17-2017 at 12:14 AM.
08-17-2017 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
I see a lot of outrage on my social media feeds and mostly silence from all the Trumpkins. My big fear is that things are going to get a lot worse than this before they get better. Trump is more likely to double down than attempt to retract all this. As things spiral out of control the odds of Trump doing somrthing terrible to distrsct from this increase. With more white supremacist gatherings schedule for this weekend we are almost guaranteed more tragedy.

The end result is likely to be catastrophic as this has ripped the veil off of us all. If you aren't speaking out, protesting and standing up to this atrocity then you are part of the problem in my book. Unfortunately that is a lot of people I know including close friends and family. It is hard to watch people you once respected and realize that they care more about pool parties and their most recent gadget than the actual problems our country are facing or in the worst cases actively are supporting this president. The level of divisiveness is not one I can ever remember and I don't think the resolution to this will be anything other than horrific.

Bottom line is as someone who grew up in the 80s and 90s it is staggering to see the amount of racist whites in this country. I think growing up we were kind of taught that the civil rights movement solved a lot of problems and racism was over which was clearly wrong. These people didn't die with Jim Crow they just stopped saying it in public. They also obviously have been passing it down generationally.

I always was aware of it to an extent but the scope of it is staggering when it is actually (and really this is the tip of the iceberg probably) revealed in public. Trump getting elected is a scary reflection of how many of these people exist in our society and it scares me that there is such little hope of change for such a big part of our population.

There HAS been a definite uptick during Obama's administration and especially during The Trumpening.

You're not actually simply imagining racism being over, but it was more like racism had reached the point of climate change in terms of a general consensus, or at least was leaning in that direction. It's real, it's bad, and hey, somebody ought to do something about it. It was a small window.

And, the parallels to how climate change is viewed NOW can't be overlooked either.
08-17-2017 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
"He'll be fired tomorrow"

Anyone else literally lol at this? I mean, maybe Kristol knows something I don't, but like, I don't see a scenario where Donald Trump can understand why this undermines the foreign policy of the US government, let alone a scenario where he cares about it.
I think its safe to say that Kistol never knows anything. He's just freerolling...nobody is gonna care in 24 hrs cuz lol Kristol. .1% chance he just gets lucky and
08-17-2017 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by rockfsh
fyp
Would you rather be served with a Grenache or a Cabernet?
08-17-2017 , 12:27 AM
re the Trump/Bush debate I think Trump has already been worse for the US domestically than Bush was. Globally, it's kind of hard to overlook the Iraq War among much else (other wars, the GFC, etc).
08-17-2017 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
...

I maintain the hope I'm wrong and this isn't true, but if we're doing this point, the Copernican view of America wouldn't be that we're led by a transparently racist baboon who stands opposed to our true values but that are our true values are like actually pretty ensconced in white supremacist assumptions, Trumpism is just a manifestation of that, and the idea it desires to be saved from it is highly specious. ...
The triggerage behind seeing certain people DENOUNCING the nazi and KKK dudes has me in orbit this past week. Like, don't tell me about values, you voted for Fat Hitler.
08-17-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
WHAT?? Who the **** is this Cantwell guy?

http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/15/vice-new...ille-episode/]

EDIT: And here's the full "eye-popping" clip:



20:50 YIKES

This was a really good episode, but I really would have liked to see some coverage of Antifa and the Anarchists. Anyone know of any vids on them from Charlottesville? A casual search of youtube is all right wing propaganda in regards to Antifa.
08-17-2017 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
I'm starting to maybe think that you guys just work in advertising and are not really this clueless.

But yeah, the DNC bizarrely running ads against a guy who got more than twice as many votes as his closest challenger and hasn't even yet announced he's seeking reelection in an election 15 months away would be worse than stupid. Ads aren't this magical potion you think they are. 99.99% chance any NFL week 1 off election year ad blitz (or anti Corker ad without knowing who the dem nominee even is) would be the same as lighting your very very limited funds on fire.
I was suggesting running the ads during the election campaign. I figured anyone reading it would infer that, because, you know, it's common senes.

The state is not impossible to win, even though it's been a long time since Gore was a senator there. Obviously they'd need to find a good candidate.

But if a Democrat admitted to meeting with Soros on video like that, the right would go bat**** crazy, run wall to wall ads from September through November 2018, and probably try to use it against the whole Democratic Congressional Caucus.... There's hay to be made here, if Democrats are smart enough to do it.

Without accounting for the gaffe, this is the fifth easiest Republican seat to flip based on Cook PVI behind Heller, Flake and Cruz (obviously there's a huge drop off from second to third).
08-17-2017 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Enslaving living people is even worse than exterminating yet to be born people,


Actually it's not

Enslaving someone is taking away their freedom and rights

Abortion is removing some cells
08-17-2017 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I was suggesting running the ads during the election campaign. I figured anyone reading it would infer that, because, you know, it's common senes.
You said they were dumb not to pounce. Not that they should wait 13 months them start running ads, provided we have a decent candidate, but don't otherwise. The latter is common sense, but I'm obv not going to infer that you understand it. Those ads won't get made because its a waste of money to blow a ton of DNC money against a pretty popular incumbent, not because dem strategists are dumber than dumb forum posters.

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08-17-2017 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
This was a really good episode, but I really would have liked to see some coverage of Antifa and the Anarchists. Anyone know of any vids on them from Charlottesville? A casual search of youtube is all right wing propaganda in regards to Antifa.
It would make for a very boring Vice episode unless it was entirely done during an action. Just go to a meeting yourself. Maybe Black Rose Anarchist Federation would be the best place to meet these people, but anything with Anarchy and a lot of things Marxist or socialist or there are other anti-fascism groups too.

Last edited by microbet; 08-17-2017 at 12:59 AM.
08-17-2017 , 12:55 AM
Just scroll alt-right twitter feeds. There's tons of videos they think bolster their cause. They really like to assert that something is happening in the video which is completely not obvious.

Cernovich said someone hit the Challenger with a bat, when it's obviously a shirt or something, and happened after the Challenger was already driving super aggressive into the crowd.

There's video leading up to the guy who got beat in the parking lot. There were some pretty serious skirmishes leading up to it. But then the narrator asserts that a nazi got knocked out cold with a baseball bat and nothing like that is happening. Then he goes on to them beating the black kid.
08-17-2017 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
re the Trump/Bush debate I think Trump has already been worse for the US domestically than Bush was. Globally, it's kind of hard to overlook the Iraq War among much else (other wars, the GFC, etc).
I mean Bush presidency was worse, but Trump is a much worse president. Could you imagine would happen in a Trump America if a 9/11 & housing market crash happened?

      
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