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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

08-15-2017 , 02:58 AM
Well that or that he has a ****ton of memory loss.
08-15-2017 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bottomset
Well that or that he has a ****ton of memory loss.
Memory loss that remembers to time things perfectly with the media in every single instance.
08-15-2017 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
No. Proceed with caution here. Normally I would jump on new evidence against Trump, but halfway through the article 3 or 4 alarm whistles went off from the quotes and statements about campaign officials. Manafort was especially strange not wanting anything to do with Russia after having the adoptions meeting, doing soooo much work for Putin over the past decade, very likely laundered 10s of millions of Russian money into real estate, and actually TOOK other Russian meetings after this. It's not too believable that the other guys all wanted to alert NATO or worry about the law, even though nobody was ever notified and there were at least 8 other campaign/transition meetings with Russians after that and ALL were lied about on official government forms.

The question is, is Trump stupid enough to mix in edited or fabricated emails to Robert Mueller? Or is it possible the information "read to" WaPo doesn't match what was submitted to the Special Counsel? The truth will come out one way or another. Let's just hope that if this is forged, that it wasn't designed in a way that Mueller finds out but the public doesn't.

The reason I say to be careful is how this shows all the efforts on the side of Russia (just like their "claims" about the June 9th Junior meeting), and implicating just one barely known team member while clearing 4 others. Hearing a response from Papadopoulos will help a bit, but this whole story seems pretty unusual.
Phew, it looks like the email from today's WaPo article is indeed real. After doing some research into the history of the people involved, it seems most likely that Papadopoulos, who is young and has no apparent skills, was put on the team because of his extensive connections to high up Russians and even Putin himself, and that Manafort, Clovis, and the others who had each already had Russian meetings before this email, were just providing cover for deniability later on. Much like drug dealers talk in clean-looking language (code) when they think someone could be listening.

Speaking of Manafort, I just came across this beauty. $850 million is the biggest amount we've seen from him yet, by quite a bit. FYI, Trump and (less likely) Jared seem to each be in the billions.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...58786964066304
08-15-2017 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Paramecium
Don't you see that will just radicalize them?

Trump is no more at fault for this than Obama is for Ferguson.

Can't we all just find a path forward and unite?

-- Idiots
I'm starting to think people actually want this.

It's fun to have nazi's to punch. And if you win it's an accomplishment, rather than the same old slow grind of gradual, barely noticeable immediate improvement.
08-15-2017 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Also Inso0, in the global battle between Dems & Dics, you're clearly a Dic.
if you're not with us, you're against us
08-15-2017 , 04:11 AM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...26230415335424

For those who think Russia fever is an illusion and seeing Putin involved everywhere is just "paranoia", remember that you're not paranoid when they really ARE out to get you.

The article doesn't really address the Nazi drumbeat that's been pounding louder and louder the last few months from the Putin propaganda machine. Between social media and alt-right hangouts, they've been pushing all kinds of calls to arms. It's a toss up to what has been more influential in the racist movement, POTUS dog whistling or Russian propaganda.

Keep in mind that the investigations have been looking into the Russian involvement of Breitbart and Infowars for quite some time now. PLEASE do Fox News too!
08-15-2017 , 04:15 AM
I know everyone is all over Charlottesville, which is good. The importance of nipping this **** in the bud is...well...really important. Otherwise this is only the very beginning.

The Alt-Right's Holocaust statue retaliation is just, yucky as ****. These bastards have major ambitions.
08-15-2017 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
PJ Harvey is the Queen of Rock. My all-time favorite artist.

You just made me like you even more
08-15-2017 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
if you're not with us, you're against us
If "us" is Democracy, uhhhh obviously?
08-15-2017 , 04:22 AM

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The request from the DOJ demands that DreamHost hand over 1.3 million visitor IP addresses — in addition to contact information, email content, and photos of thousands of people — in an effort to determine who simply visited the website
Holy **** this is terrifying and extremely alarming.


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A Washington, D.C.-based political organization, DisruptJ20 (also appearing with an inserted space before "J20") had the initial stated aim of protesting and disrupting events of the inauguration of Donald Trump as 45th President of The United States.[1] One organizer of the DisruptJ20 protests, Alli McCracken, stated that the group is protesting Trump's views on women, undocumented immigrants and Muslims. Al Jazeera described the members of the organization as "liberal activists".[2] Steven Nelson of the U.S. News & World Report, after interviews with organizers and representatives, described it in December 2016 as the "more radical protest-organizing network DisruptJ20, which has more than 1,700 Facebook group members."[3] A representative of the organization[who?] has stated that it would also have demonstrated had Hillary Clinton won the 2016 presidential election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisruptJ20
08-15-2017 , 05:20 AM
Dont worry the right does not like big intrusive government...
08-15-2017 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Dont worry the right does not like big intrusive government...
They do, for different reasons though. Just look at how empty our government is right now. It's not the quantity of the staff, it's the quality of their loyalty and ability to keep a secret or two.
08-15-2017 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
MSNBC ran footage a few minutes ago of Trump denouncing David Duke and calling him a bigot in an interview with Matt Lauer... from 2000.

This is proof that he knew who he was last year when he played dumb. Obviously everyone on the left knew he was lying, but many people have remained in denial about it.

I'm curious why this video is only coming to light now... You're going to tell me nobody involved remembered it when the non-disavowment of Duke was a big story last year?
This video came to light during the election after he made his "I don't know who he is comments." I remember seeing it then. It didn't matter.
08-15-2017 , 07:20 AM
Did Trump just RT someone saying Trump is considering pardoning Arpaio because he's a fascist?

edit - already deleted.

https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/sta...16000802574336
08-15-2017 , 07:21 AM
Why doesn't this Virginia DA step up and charge this scum with first-degree or capital murder?
08-15-2017 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
Did Trump just RT someone saying Trump is considering pardoning Arpaio because he's a fascist?

edit - already deleted.

https://twitter.com/MikeHolden42/sta...16000802574336
Also deleted just now was a retweeted image of Trump brand train plowing into the CNN logo, with a person (looks like it's Jim Acosta) squished between the logo and the train. The text reads "Even fake news can't stop the Trump Train" next to it. Pretty violent.
08-15-2017 , 07:41 AM
Wilbur Ross is apparently going to get hit by Mueller for money laundering

He's gonna get all of them apparently
08-15-2017 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Keep in mind that the investigations have been looking into the Russian involvement of Breitbart and Infowars for quite some time now. PLEASE do Fox News too!
This just reminded me of Peter Smith's 81 year old suicide. Congress mentioned that they were investigating it a couple of months back. We haven't heard anything since. Obviously they either found nothing and dropped it off their list, or they found something(s) sensitive and dropped it off to Mueller. The suicide note makes it a coin flip IMO.

For anyone else who forgot, here are cliffs:

WSJ reporter meets with GOP operative Peter Smith and he tells them about his team working together with Mike Flynn to secure Hillary's lost emails from Russia. 10 days after the interview, Smith dies. Even though none of the details of his death were revealed by family, local law enforcement, investigators and the obituary, people didn't give it much thought because of his age.

Fast forward maybe a week or two and we find out the same reporter had spoken to Smith's staffers, one of whom confirmed that in addition to Flynn, Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway and Sam Clovis (sound familiar from WaPo yesterday?) were also working on the Clinton emails.

Shortly after that story broke in the WSJ, the details of Smith's death came out. The Rochester police released the following note:

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In the note recovered by police, Smith apologized to authorities and said that "NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER" was involved in his death. He wrote that he was taking his own life because of a "RECENT BAD TURN IN HEALTH SINCE JANUARY, 2017" and timing related "TO LIFE INSURANCE OF $5 MILLION EXPIRING."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...713-story.html
08-15-2017 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Wilbur Ross is apparently going to get hit by Mueller for money laundering

He's gonna get all of them apparently
Sweet. I guess laundering is the biggest/easiest to go after. Any other benefits to charging that first?
08-15-2017 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Wilbur Ross is apparently going to get hit by Mueller for money laundering

He's gonna get all of them apparently
Link? Where you hearing this?
08-15-2017 , 08:04 AM
Colbert to Scaramucci on denouncing Nazis: Two days later though. Does he order his spine from Amazon Prime?
08-15-2017 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Link? Where you hearing this?
Just had a search and it seems to be only coming from the twitter account @truefactsstated, who IIRC works with Louise Mensch and is a similar level of fraud and moron
08-15-2017 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Also deleted just now was a retweeted image of Trump brand train plowing into the CNN logo, with a person (looks like it's Jim Acosta) squished between the logo and the train. The text reads "Even fake news can't stop the Trump Train" next to it. Pretty violent.
Was pretty shocked when I saw that. How ****ing tone deaf can you be?
08-15-2017 , 08:37 AM
Seth Abramson put together the longest Twitter chain in history about the investigation yesterday and I don't think he mentioned it.
08-15-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
If "us" is Democracy, uhhhh obviously?
you mean "true democracy"

      
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