Armed FBI agents breaking in and roaming around your house while you stand there in your jammies has got to make you question your choices. Or at least knock some of the smug off your corrupt face.

It might generally be a hurdle to get a judge on board with probable cause for the underlying warrant, but once you are there it's not a huge leap to get to no-knock status depending on the substance of the underlying warrant.

All you can really glean from this is that SOMETHING they were looking for would be at risk of loss if they knocked first. Given the apparent direction of investigation this far, we're talking about electronic files - which will have a lower threshold for granting no-knock than if for example they were going in there looking for a gun for obvious practical purposes.

Which is a long way of saying that in this case, I think it has less to do with how likely evidence was to be destroyed and more with the ease with which any destruction could occur if it were to be attempted.


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It very well could have been fear. Remember that these guys are hooked up with the highest levels of the Russian mob and the Russian government for decades. And remember that Trump and almost everyone around him are always carrying. I remember Trump & sons bragging about this and NRA stuff over and over on the campaign trail.

Also, the more time goes on, the more I realize that most of these witnesses will be desperately afraid of flipping. We may see offers of witness protection.

This story is bigger than anyone has imagined so far. Global crime rings (plural) IMO.

LOL what the ****. Donald Trump has almost certainly never fired a gun, and if he did it would likely comically spin out of his tiny hands.

Please, stop.

Less than one year before the narcissistic, impulsive xenophobe turned to threatening nuclear war.

But Hillary was the big war monger...

Last time you tried to take me on, you came off looking like a huge moron.

The fact you're trying again shows you don't care much about looks.

lol

Yeah, this is a dude who is petrified of stairs, shaking hands and medium-rare steaks. I really doubt he's getting anywhere near explosives and projectiles.

Ha good one bro fly owns your soul.

Get ready for a lot of asterisks.

Rising from the dead to deliver an important message to us.

Yep. You are ignore now. You are either a Russian bot or 100% trolling. Either way. Eat a dick.

The chicken's wattle even looks like a pair of Russian balls on its chin. Good stuff.

Just a theory, but it looks like Team Mueller is trying to get to Trump via Jared. They'll try, but they might not be able to flip Manafort, and Flynn already may have turned. But I'm pretty sure they're using Flynn and Manafort's various meetings (Don Jr/Manafort w/5 Russians, Flynn and the VEB banking and backchannel to the Kremlin) with Jared present to squeeze him into turning on Trump.

Of course, it's hard to know what they have because nothing ****ing leaks with this Mueller guy. He was able to hide a 6am raid for 2 weeks lol.

Actually they're going to get overtime soon. I read somewhere that they were limited to 10-hour shifts now.

http://www.westernfarmpress.com/blog...w-overtime-law

ya there is exactly 0% chance jared turns on trump or that mueller tries to get jared to turn on trump

I don't know if he ever fired his handgun. He was asked once in an interview and actually refused to answer for the first time in the campaign. No idea whether he thought answering would lead to legal problems (if he ever shot criminally) but typical Trump would most likely lie and say yes to look macho, just like with everything else.

The Trump men are all long standing NRA members who used to go hunting all the time before the campaign. Fredo is into it the most, but Eric and Daddy tagged along sometimes. There are plenty of pics floating around with rifles and/or game.

Trump's bullet proof vest and bulge in his inside jacket pocket were fairly obvious during the campaign. And, if anyone remembers, it was the Trump campaign and Katrina Pierson who were fighting to "stick with Ohio laws" and allow for open carrying of weapons at what was supposed to be a contested GOP convention, despite the Cleveland police pleading with the Governor to suspend the open carry laws in the convention zone.

The whole campaign is full of big 2nd Amendment proponents (some of the women even carried). Also, it looks like Trump stopped the vest and the gun since getting POTUS-level security. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that's my basis for making that statement.

Trump did not carry a ****ing gun on the campaign trail lol


Stop making **** up! Just stick to what you actually know!

Yeah, I'm not extremely confident about this theory. It had enough merit to mention, but no more. If Manafort winds up "staying strong", the theory moves up a notch. And I'm not sold on Manafort turning. He's a really big player in Russia's turning of Democracy in Ukraine and 1 or 2 other (Eastern European?) countries. He's big into money laundering and phony real estate deals with high level Russian mobsters for at least 25 years.

In his shoes, I'd probably take prison over Russian death-before-testimony. We'll see how it goes I guess.

Or I could erase a bunch of my memory and stick to what you know about Trump (and Russia) instead.

Glad to see the asterisks and exclamations made it into the thread so fast.

I have never noticed Trump with a gun or vest. Pics or gtfoh.

Like just as a thought experiment: if Donald Trump had a gun at a rally in a state where guns are legal, would he (A) keep it concealed because guns are deadly serious things only to be unholstered in life threatening situations, or (B) pull it out and brag to the crowd about how much he loves his gun and the 2nd ammendment?

Further thought experiment: wouldn't this have been a huge media story if it were true?

Wtf.

Come on man. The Trump sons are both hunters but there is no evidence that Trump knows which end of a gun to hold. This was Trump when asked about his sons' big game hunting by the Telegraph in Scotland:

Trump has elsewhere claimed to own a gun and have a NY concealed carry permit, but I'm not interested in anything that comes out of his mouth. I have never heard an account or seen any pictures of him holding a gun.

lol, just found Trump in Rolling Stone being quizzed on his gun:

If there's one thing I've learnt to recognise in the last 12 months, it's Trump bull****ting his way through something he doesn't know or is making up.

I'm not an expert but this post from earlier itt kind of bothered me. Since it was quoted by Lestat I just want to say that by poking around wiki and the references there, it seems:

There are no current examples of MIRV ICBMs capable of carrying more than 12 warheads. This isn't a near-term threat in the NK situation.

Although the speed through the atmosphere is high, the time from re-entry (altitude 100 km) to target may be up to 2 minutes. ICBMs can also be intercepted outside the atmosphere (where they spend ~25 minutes), or during the boost stage of flight.

We are currently spending about $8B/yr on missile defense.

The effectiveness of current ABM systems against the kind of threats we expect from NK is questionable. A reasonably effective defense against Russian/Chinese ICBMs would be extremely expensive to develop and is probably a pipe dream.

There is a short primer on missile defense here: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/bal...issile-defense