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So irrelevant to this mass shooting that this extensively planned mass shooting had the shooter go out of his way to amass a bunch of them! But the good General knows he can outshoot this guy, fo shizzle. Pretty obvious that if he were a REAL shooter, he wouldn't have even bothered with them.

10-05-2017 , 03:48 PM

#24928

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

if you don't know what a .308 is...

It's what normal people know as 7.62mm NATO.

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... or what a semi auto rifle is, that's totally OK and not something you should be afraid to say, and I'll gladly go into further explanation. If you do know, also cool, I don't know you so IDK what your familiarity is.

Of course I know what a semi-automatic rifle is. The presumption of gun nuts that mere mortals don't understand their esoteric fetish-world is inane.

10-05-2017 , 03:49 PM

#24929

AllTheCheese

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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker

I don't often agree with General Tsao, but he always makes you think.

And here's what he makes you think of.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS

10-05-2017 , 03:50 PM

#24930

kerowo

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

this "us v. them" mentality...

why do I have to pick a "side"? why do there have to be "sides"?

why can't we just have a conversation, figure out common ground, and build from there?

What side did I say I "picked"? Can't I want people to have access to guns but demand that their access be reasonably restricted?

If you can't even be bothered to read your own ****ing posts I can't either.

10-05-2017 , 03:56 PM

#24931

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

I'd say with a standard semi auto .308 rifle (which does not get around any laws at all), he'd have killed far more people. Having thought about what that caliber does and a conservative estimate of 2-3 shots a second, you honestly think I'm wrong?

edit to add: As I've been trying to convey to wookie, if you don't know what a .308 is, or what a semi auto rifle is, that's totally OK and not something you should be afraid to say, and I'll gladly go into further explanation. If you do know, also cool, I don't know you so IDK what your familiarity is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

It's what normal people know as 7.62mm NATO.

Of course I know what a semi-automatic rifle is. The presumption of gun nuts that mere mortals don't understand their esoteric fetish-world is inane.

OK, I mean, I don't no why you need to be rude about it, but that's cool.

So anyways, do you actually disagree with the bold post above?

10-05-2017 , 03:58 PM

#24932

kerowo

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

I was actually hoping you'd be around to post the meme...but, I guess that's too much to ask.

It's not about impugning the name, by the way - I don't own any bump stocks, have never wanted to own one (they're pretty stupid...people who actually know about guns don't buy them, mostly 18 year old youtubers and apparently old dumb fuds).

But since you mentioned, how many more bullets did it deliver than a typical semi auto rifle?!

Edit to add: The idea that if this guy didn't have a bump stock, this would have been less tragic, is incredibly stupid. Guy sitting up in an elevated position, firing into 22,000 people - bump stock or no bump stock, this was going to be an incredible tragedy.

Are you really this bad at math? Let's use 50rpm as the effective rate of aimed fire from a semi auto, a bump stock ups that to ~500 (400-800, we'll make the math easy since you may be wearing shoes) that's 10 times, 10 times as many people wounded or killed. I guess we're lucky he was using bump stocks, MSM hardly gets out of bed for only 5 dead and 60 wounded.

10-05-2017 , 03:59 PM

#24933

vaya

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Maybe we should start a fantasy mass shooting league to help settle who knows the most. What categories could we have? Type of gun, venue, motivation, and race of perpetrator seem obvious. And unlike fantasy football you're guaranteed to have action more than one day a week.

10-05-2017 , 03:59 PM

#24934

DVaut1

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General Tsao showing the ignorant liberals he would carry out a mass murder with far more efficiency than this Paddock idiot.

10-05-2017 , 04:07 PM

#24935

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Are you really this bad at math? Let's use 50rpm as the effective rate of aimed fire from a semi auto

Why not use 10rpm, or 3? Where did you get 50rpm from, I've never heard that before. 200-300 rpm is more appropriate.

Seriously, how did you manage 50 as your number?

If we're gonna just make up numbers lets say a bump stock makes you fire 3000 rounds a minute, to show how truly lethal they are.

10-05-2017 , 04:12 PM

#24936

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

OK, by your numbers, it's half the rate of the bump stock case. Definitely confirmed irrelevant.

10-05-2017 , 04:13 PM

#24937

kerowo

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Wikipedia. Sustained rate of aimed fire for a semi is listed as 45-60 rpm, likewise popular mechanics tells us bump stocks up the ROF to 400-800 so I chose middle values to make the math easier. In other words, my source, unlike yours, isn't "my ass."

10-05-2017 , 04:14 PM

#24938

kerowo

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Why not use 10rpm, or 3? Where did you get 50rpm from, I've never heard that before. 200-300 rpm is more appropriate.

That's because you are dumb enough to confuse cyclic rate with effective rate.

10-05-2017 , 04:20 PM

#24939

vaya

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Originally Posted by kerowo

That's because you are dumb enough to confuse cyclic rate with effective rate.

Taso is literally sitting in his room, thinking about how fast he thinks he could pull the trigger

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10-05-2017 , 04:26 PM

#24940

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

General Tsao showing the ignorant liberals he would carry out a mass murder with far more efficiency than this Paddock idiot.

He always seemed like the type

10-05-2017 , 04:28 PM

#24941

DVaut1

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

He always seemed like the type

He's just here to tell the silly liberals their bump stock hysteria is as dumb as their automatic weapon fears, since any real gun fetishist will find a way to murder tons of people without the use of special tools and power ups. Give any gun nut worth his salt a pedestrian semi-automatic and watch the carnage unfold. In conclusion, gun control is a bad idea, signed and best regards, your friend General Tsao.

10-05-2017 , 04:30 PM

#24942

goofball

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Argument: banning *whatever specific thing* won't be effective because reasons
Response: I agree that our scope needs to be much broader.

10-05-2017 , 04:40 PM

#24943

Money2Burn

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It's amazing how effectively gun pedantry derails gun regulation talks.

10-05-2017 , 04:43 PM

#24944

Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by vaya

Taso is literally sitting in his room, thinking about how fast he thinks he could pull the trigger

I imagine him with a timer running, clicking one of those people-counter devices as he mimics pulling a trigger with his other hand, sweating furiously attempting to set a new record.

10-05-2017 , 04:45 PM

#24945

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

GOP Florida Congressman (Curbelo-FL) introduce bill to ban bump stocks.

Big ****ing shock, A token response that does jack ****. Way to go republicans, you're making a difference! Bonus points! Participation trophies for the whole lot of ya!

10-05-2017 , 04:47 PM

#24946

ogallalabob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

That's because you are dumb enough to confuse cyclic rate with effective rate.

Not sure effective rate matters a lot when your talking about the situation of firing into a mass of people. It is not like you need to waste time aiming. So 200 v 400 w bump stock probably accurate.

10-05-2017 , 04:52 PM

#24947

SenorKeeed

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General Taso probably isn't wrong that Paddock could have killed about as many people with a non bump stock semi-auto rifle. Pretty good illustration of why semi automatic rifles should be banned.

10-05-2017 , 04:56 PM

#24948

Victor

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truly amazing posting by tsao.

10-05-2017 , 04:58 PM

#24949

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ogallalabob

Not sure effective rate matters a lot when your talking about the situation of firing into a mass of people. It is not like you need to waste time aiming. So 200 v 400 w bump stock probably accurate.

500 yards is a long way, you'd need to aim.