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All of "call-out culture" Twitter essentially treats crazy people as objects of sport, and hell, we do it too. I don't want to name names, but on 2p2 there have been a lot of forums that have essentially deputized a crazy regular as a "wacky mascot", that **** is very very harmful.

Must be me since I don't know who you're talking about. I got much bigger problems to worry about than what internet people think of me. Oh well. Moving on.

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Twitter essentially treats crazy people as objects of sport

I don't twitter, but I can imagine it's not a friendly place for the mentally ill.

10-05-2017 , 01:31 PM

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SenorKeeed

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Bringing up the Afghan mujaheddin vs the Soviets is also a flawed example. Back when the Afghans were equipped with nothing but small arms and light explosives they were getting literally decimated by the Soviets (much of that due to their attack helicopters like the Hind). It wasn't until the US started sending actual military weapons, and in particular the Stinger surface to air missiles that the Afghans could use against the gunships, into the region that they started to turn things around.

Yeah this idea that an armed citizenry can fight a guerrilla war is madness. The average gun owner probably has enough ammo on hand for half a firefight. What then? In order to sustain a guerrilla war the guerrillas need the backing of a state.

10-05-2017 , 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

Why revolvers and bolt-actions over clip/magazine loaders?

The "hundreds of thousands of real lives" is a statistic from a status quo that I'm talking about changing wrt access and control.

I am arguing for gun control, jfc.

You’re arguing for gun control while simultaneously pushing one of the most nonsensical anti-gun control points, so excuse every one for being confused. Like if we need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government than you actually need as many people armed as possible, with regulations a distant second.

People who don’t want gun control don’t actually have a motive other than more gun nuttery.

10-05-2017 , 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by master3004

What about registration? Storage requirements? Storage checks? Ammunition limitations? Limits on number of firearms that can be owned?

registration - yes

storage - difficult to police, but should be included in the safety training at a minimum

ammo - no limitation

number of firearms - increases as access privilege escalates

10-05-2017 , 01:39 PM

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master3004

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Care to explain your thoughts on ammo? What practical application can someone have that requires a truck full of ammo?

10-05-2017 , 01:40 PM

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Hi this is my first post ever in this forum. I have some thoughts on gun control that may or may not be coherent enough for the likes of this forum, but I'm gonna share anyways.

Disclaimers: I'm just another crazy American that dreams of a peace loving society in which life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness flow like the ****ing Amazon River. I'm mentally ill and have been weapon free for almost a decade. I used to carry weapons all the time. Now, I haven't brought a weapon into public since I emptied my pockets as they checked me into the psych ward at a Boston Hospital way back in 2010. I don't own any guns and I don't want to own any guns. I have a big problem with the abuse of power by politicians and police, but at the same time I have nothing but the utmost respect for the good cops and politicians that come from all walks of life and all political partisanship. If the voters of <insert a conservative voting state's name here> want conservative acting politicians in charge of making laws, then that's fine with me. If the voters of <insert liberal voting state's name here> want lots of government services that help those in need, then that's fine with me as well. We all have a say and every vote matters imo, no matter the intellect, or lack there of possessed by each and every voter. I also have nothing but respect and admiration for all the good cops out there. Some stranger with a badge and a gun that would take a bullet for me? Doesn't get any better than that as far as public service goes imo.

And owning a gun, or many guns, or many big guns, doesn't affect that in the least.

10-05-2017 , 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob148

Must be me since I don't know who you're talking about. I got much bigger problems to worry about than what internet people think of me. Oh well. Moving on.

FlyWf said this:

I don't twitter, but I can imagine it's not a friendly place for the mentally ill.

Twitter isn't a friendly place for anyone

10-05-2017 , 01:41 PM

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has a single person shown up in here earnestly to argue for completely unrestricted gun ownership?

The purpose of the gun is not only to protect against tyrannical government, although that is a potential purpose. Self-defense in the absence of protective government is another valid purpose.

I'm arguing against a total ban on guns, yes. That's not inconsistent with arguing for gun control, at all.

10-05-2017 , 01:42 PM

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This one hits a little closer to home for 2+2ers, most of us haven't been to Newtown, but we've all been on the strip.

10-05-2017 , 01:46 PM

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Care to explain your thoughts on ammo? What practical application can someone have that requires a truck full of ammo?

If I only have a six-shooter, who cares whether I have 6, 12, or 144 bullets? 1440?

If I am okay to have an AK (because I have checked all of the restrictive boxes over the years), why do I have to cap my ammo stock?

Bulk purchasing is more cost effective, so allowing it facilitates more equitable distribution among vouch-safed recipients. It also helps mitigate the contingency, however extreme/unlikely, of tyrannical overreach that people keep returning to.

10-05-2017 , 01:49 PM

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And owning a gun, or many guns, or many big guns, doesn't affect that in the least.

I wouldn't know. Never owned one. Don't want one. If I tried to get one legally, I could not. I suppose that makes my opinion irrelevant in many eyes but guess what? I still get to vote.

10-05-2017 , 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

Finland defended against Russia pretty well.

With regular forces possessing medium belt-fed machine guns, mortars, artillery and aircraft.

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How'd ISIS do?

Disastrously. Not least because the USAF, the RAF and the Armee de l'Air keep turning up and dropping bombs on them and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

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How about the American colonies vs. Britain?

The rebel colonies marshalled something called the Continental Army, led by a guy name of Washington -- you conceivably heard of him -- which was sufficiently strong in regular, disciplined infantry and artillery to gain a result. The militia didn't have as much to do with it as certain people would like you to think.

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Lots of armed peoples lose conflicts. What is your point?

What the hell is yours?

10-05-2017 , 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

There is no such thing as a vouched safe gun owner. The guy in Vegas passed every background check and would have passed any gun test you gave him. He was safe... until he wasn't. If there was an ammo restriction, how many less bullets does he get off?

10-05-2017 , 01:52 PM

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So your plan is that this clown that just shot 500 people should be able to buy a machine gun rather than build one at home. Seems well thought out!

10-05-2017 , 01:54 PM

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I wouldn't know. Never owned one. Don't want one. If I tried to get one legally, I could not. I suppose that makes my opinion irrelevant in many eyes but guess what? I still get to vote.

You need to own one to conclude that you'd still be helpless vs. the state? I don't own one either and I figured it out.

10-05-2017 , 01:55 PM

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So your plan is that this clown that just shot 500 people should be able to buy a machine gun rather than build one at home. Seems well thought out!

I don't know what this guy's history is, but I'm not sure he would qualify for a machine gun under my proposed regime.

If your point is ammo access, I would require proof of ownership of a weapon that could fire said ammo.

10-05-2017 , 01:55 PM

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kerowo

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

war makes strange bedfellows

America is not the only entity capable of projecting power on the NA continent

You'll need to site a source other than Red Dawn or White House Down for this.

10-05-2017 , 01:56 PM

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When asked Thursday morning on CNN about the potential for gun control legislation to move forward, White House adviser Kellyanne Conway mentioned twice that bump stocks had been approved by the ATF under the Obama administration

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Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), who said Wednesday he was open to reviewing bump stocks, also noted the ATF’s 2010 decision in a tweet Thursday morning.

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Several conservative news outlets seized on that timeline, too. Breitbart News noted that the ATF approved bump stocks under Obama “because they do not convert a semiautomatic rifle into an automatic.”

The Resurgent went up with the headline, “Guess who approved the ‘bump stock’? That’s right, Obama’s ATF.” The article’s author, Steve Berman, wrote, “Liberals are all enraged that Stephen Paddock could transform two AR-15s into ‘machine guns’ using a simple ‘bump stock’ device. Now they know who to blame.”

Holy ****, not only did Obama gun grab and take everyone's guns, he also FAILED to take everyone's guns. Thanks, Obama.

10-05-2017 , 01:58 PM

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You need to own one to conclude that you'd still be helpless vs. the state? I don't own one either and I figured it out.

this line is that we are just powerless against a potential over-bearing state, full stop - so why bother?

why do you insist on seeing the scenario as just you, acting alone, vs the entire national guard?

10-05-2017 , 01:59 PM

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Wow, does anyone know where Obama was on Sunday night?

10-05-2017 , 02:00 PM

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/cons...ocks-obama-atf

Holy ****, not only did Obama gun grab and take everyone's guns, he also FAILED to take everyone's guns. Thanks, Obama.

Here they are controlling the narrative with stupid again. Nobody on the left cares this guy used a bump stock. We care that he massacred nearly 60 people.

10-05-2017 , 02:02 PM

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When the gun owners of America rise up and beat down the M1 Abrams and F22s what kind of government do you imagine they will install?

10-05-2017 , 02:02 PM

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Wow, does anyone know where Obama was on Sunday night?

4th floor of the Manadalay Bay perhaps?

Holy **** Obama's an Xman, I knew it.

10-05-2017 , 02:02 PM

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Bump stocks are pretty clearly a loop-hole that should be closed.

10-05-2017 , 02:03 PM

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57 On Red

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

If I only have a six-shooter, who cares whether I have 6, 12, or 144 bullets? 1440?

Because each bullet may account for a human life.

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