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The folks in Armenia, almost all of Nazi Europe, Stalin's USSR, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia. I dont think they have a 2A there. The first thing totalitarians do is disarm their populace

Hitler didn't disarm the populace. He actually increased private gun ownership.

10-03-2017 , 01:24 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Man, I am glad DBJ and the rest of the guntards aren't here to lecture us on how silencers are essential to preserving our freedoms.

10-03-2017 , 01:26 PM

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MrWookie

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Man, now that I think about it, I do think there's a country out there has a Second Amendment. Let's look at it's history to see if it's carried out ethnic cleansing or if its attempts to do so were thwarted by bands of armed citizens!

10-03-2017 , 01:32 PM

#24679

57 On Red

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

I assume you're thinking of this:--

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

It occurred because federal forces were intent on disarming a group of Americans they'd taken a certain ethnic dislike to. It was, notoriously, no contest.

10-03-2017 , 01:40 PM

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Namath12

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Not for nothing but liberals should probably be arming themselves at this point.

10-03-2017 , 01:42 PM

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vaya

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinopoker

Why not just eliminate it altogether? I mean, places like Canada and the Australia don't have a 2A and their hunters still have access to the tools they need.

It's an old idea that may have served a purpose once, but it's just not realistic today.

For 200 years it never even occurred to anyone that the Second Amendment granted an individual right to bear arms. The idea that it ever did is a revisionist lie peddled by deplorables.

10-03-2017 , 01:52 PM

#24682

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

I was thinking more like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

10-03-2017 , 01:54 PM

#24683

goofball

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Thank god we had the second amendment and could violently resist when our government decided to force americans into internment camps during world war 2!

10-03-2017 , 02:35 PM

#24684

57 On Red

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

I was thinking more like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

That too.

10-03-2017 , 04:05 PM

#24685

V0dkanockers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Which legally available weapons can take on predator drones flying 15km up in the air with the abilty to drop laser-guided bombs and to shoot hellfire missiles from up to 8km away?

Go ask the Taliban. We have been fighting them for 16 years with no end in sight.

10-03-2017 , 04:40 PM

#24686

OmgGlutten!

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The media turns these guys into celebrities. They are posting photos of him from 5 years ago with captions "he looks calm here". **** off.

10-03-2017 , 04:52 PM

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kerowo

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Originally Posted by V0dkanockers

Go ask the Taliban. We have been fighting them for 16 years with no end in sight.

How many drones have they downed?

10-03-2017 , 04:57 PM

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renodoc

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

And if they had the right to own guns you think they’d have been able to stand up to the military? A bunch of people holed up in their homes versus the full force of an organized state? Give me a break

As has been pointed out, no other large Western democracy owns nearly as many guns as we have an none of them have succumbed to totalitarianism. It’s just a ridiculous fantasy for gun manufacturers to sell you.

Simkin, Zelman, Rice:

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The military history of the twentieth century shows rather clearly that if guerillas are willing to wage a prolonged war, they can be quite successful. As one author notes that
Far from proving invincible, in the vast majority of cases in this century in which they have confronted popular insurgencies, modern armies have been unable to suppress the insurgents. This is why the British no longer rule in Israel and Ireland, the French in Indo-China, Algeria, and Madagascar, the Portuguese in Angola, the whites in Rhodesia, or General Somoza, General Battista, or the Shah in Nicaragua, Cuba, and Iran respectively--not to mention the examples of the United States in Vietnam and the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.[114]

10-03-2017 , 04:59 PM

#24689

kerowo

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And I'm sure the military has learned nothing from those encounters...

10-03-2017 , 05:05 PM

#24690

renodoc

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Brian Doherty, Reason magazine

Quote:

Some people don't see this and it is a difficult thing to convince those who don't want, need, or enjoy guns to fathom how anyone else could, given their demonstrable ability to cause horrific harm. Those who resist calls for more and tougher gun laws believe that, even if you don't understand why anyone wants or needs one, that a third of Americans think they do need or want guns, and the hundreds of millions of guns that exist in America are proof of this.

There are a couple of reasons someone might not see getting rid of guns as a proportionate response to the actual demonstrated threat of rifles, even post-Las Vegas America.

One is the threat of, to put it mildly, severe civic unrest if the U.S. government attempted a mass confiscation, even with the promise of an absurdly expensive buyback, of that many almost universally legally and peacefully owned weapons.

That might not occur to those who think of those owners as just gun nuts, not worthy of respect. But even Americans with that attitude should have another reason to think twice about some new attempt to create mass national contraband: the historical evidence of previous national experiments in banning highly desired and available products, like alcohol and drugs.

Vast harm can come to individuals and communities from ultimately futile attempts to extirpate such things. One might consider how police, who would be the confiscators, behave, especially in America's poorest and least-respected communities. What might it be like unleashing them on a contraband potentially lethal to them?

10-03-2017 , 05:08 PM

#24691

renodoc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Hitler didn't disarm the populace. He actually increased private gun ownership.

Right- like all the jews in the Warsaw ghetto?

10-03-2017 , 05:10 PM

#24692

goofyballer

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WAR ON GUNS = WAR ON DRUGS

LOL renodoc just delivers and delivers ITT

10-03-2017 , 05:18 PM

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Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

WAR ON GUNS = WAR ON DRUGS

LOL renodoc just delivers and delivers ITT

What's the gun equivalent of 'riding the dragon'?

10-03-2017 , 05:21 PM

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batair

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The war on drugs pushed by the right being used by the right to push gun rights. Good stuff. Look the probation that we have been using against drugs does not work. We will keep doing it but can't you see it won't work with guns either.

10-03-2017 , 05:24 PM

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Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by batair

The war on drugs pushed by the right being used by the right to push gun rights. Good stuff.

To be fair to Reason, they probably don't push the drug war, but it's still silly to compare alcohol and drugs to guns.

10-03-2017 , 05:29 PM

#24696

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

What's the gun equivalent of 'riding the dragon'?

You ever stroked a long barrel AK?

10-03-2017 , 05:31 PM

#24697

batair

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Yeah I don't Know them so it could be misplaced. Still makes me go hum when the right says things like you can't stop it so don't try when that is not an issue on other things they try and stop.

10-03-2017 , 05:31 PM

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True North

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Quote:

Originally Posted by renodoc

Right- like all the jews in the Warsaw ghetto?

It's a good thing the Second Amendment ensures that a persecuted minority is able to freely carry guns without fear of reprisal, then...oh wait, never mind.

10-03-2017 , 05:34 PM

#24699

vaya

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Originally Posted by master3004

You ever stroked a long barrel AK?

To be equally fair to Reason, they are financed by people absolutely support the drug war and exist to indoctrinate scumbags who prefer to get ****ed up on weed rather than opiates when fantasizing about shooting minorities.

10-03-2017 , 05:43 PM

#24700

FlyWf

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The idea that right wingers are the ****ing spearhead of protecting us from government overreach is sort of belied by that they literally threw a MULTIYEAR LONG TEMPER TANTRUM because a black guy showed insufficient fealty to "the troops" by kneeling, and the history of right wing anti-government militia activity in this country is like 1% insane cults and 99% lynching, Liberty protection has held very strong at zero point zero percent.

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