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Some people choose to acquire their own meat. What's the difference between buying a dead animal in the store and killing it myself, cleaning it, dressing it, and preparing it myself?

Nothing so why do we have to keep acquiescing to gun nuts who use hunting as a thin veneer for being allowed to keep their toys? You can just buy food in a store! Sounds like less work too

02-18-2018 , 02:52 PM

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stinkubus

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

seems like some sort of DEER PATROL could be a more efficient solution to this problem than allowing every random idiot in the country the right to own military grade weapons, but wtf do I know

The military grade weapons aren't generally used for hunting, and it may not even be legal to do so depending on where you live.

Tricking people into thinking that bans on those type of weapons will lead to confiscation of all guns is one of the NRA's most effective tactics.

02-18-2018 , 02:52 PM

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SuperUberBob

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

If the left would just acquiesce to the right, and agree that guns aren't the problem maybe we can get somewhere. Guns aren't the problem. The problem is school shootings and mass shootings, banning guns is the solution to the problem in the interim until we can figure out how to prevent people from getting to a point where they feel the need to do that.

I think some of these gun nuts just want somebody to tell them how proud they are that they have managed not to kill somebody with their gun. Have to pat them on the head, and give em a lolipop.

These things are not mutually exclusive. Issues with guns can be related to both the amount of them and our views towards the use of violence.

Like most societal problems, there are multiple causes.

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Mission accomplished then. The people he is meeting is everyone who has been killed in school.

I was a bit confused by the cartoon. Unless the football coach had some sort of role in the shooting, it seems to be an incredibly mean political cartoon.

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Why the **** is hunting a thing?

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Originally Posted by stinkubus

The rural areas of the United States would be unlivable without it. You'd have deer encroaching on every population center in these parts of the country.

Several years ago, prior to PA increasing the number of hunting licenses sold in my region, a near by town actually hired a team of snipers to come in and take a bunch of deer out because they were getting overrun by them.

Yup. That was done in parts of Northeastern PA as well.

Hell, I saw deer in Stockholm, Sweden ffs. I'm not sure that means that there are a ****load of deer in rural Sweden though. I mean, I saw a fox in central London around Christmas this year.

02-18-2018 , 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jayhawks

Some people choose to acquire their own meat. What's the difference between buying a dead animal in the store and killing it myself, cleaning it, dressing it, and preparing it myself?

This argument is pointless. There are very practical solutions to reducing gun access and violence while still allowing people to hunt and deal with the deer population.

Stop using hunting as some gotcha reason for maintaining the status quo in the US.

02-18-2018 , 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Nothing so why do we have to keep acquiescing to gun nuts who use hunting as a thin veneer for being allowed to keep their toys? You can just buy food in a store! Sounds like less work too

I'm not using hunting as a reason to keep guns. He asked why people hunt, and for me, its about acquiring your own meat and conservation. The conservation points have already been made.

02-18-2018 , 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jayhawks

I'm not using hunting as a reason to keep guns. He asked why people hunt, and for me, its about acquiring your own meat and conservation. The conservation points have already been made.

But really the answer is that hunting is recreational. You do get meat as a side benefit, but that's like saying people go out fishing just to acquire meat. No one is actually living as a substinence hunter in the 21st century.

02-18-2018 , 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Koss

Again, I'm not using hunting as a reason to keep guns. I don't know a lot of people that hunt but the ones I do know, zero use an AR.

02-18-2018 , 03:02 PM

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OmgGlutten!

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How do other countries control deer and avoid school shootings?

02-18-2018 , 03:05 PM

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deer conservationism as a reason everyone needs an assault weapon is a new, unbelievably (well, it's completely believable that idiots would propagate this, actually) stupid rationale

02-18-2018 , 03:05 PM

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Has Mason dropped by to point out the economic boost of guns in the funeral industry and the economy in general?

02-18-2018 , 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I mean, it depends on what you mean by recreation. I think people that don't hunt have a real misunderstanding of it. There are people that rely on what they kill for their meat for a year or whatever. They do exist.

02-18-2018 , 03:08 PM

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SuperUberBob

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Has Mason dropped by to point out the economic boost of guns in the funeral industry and the economy in general?

Maybe he'll talk about the benefits of gun ownership due to decreases in angle shooting and cheating at live poker games it has caused.

02-18-2018 , 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by champstark

deer conservationism as a reason everyone needs an assault weapon is a new, unbelievably (well, it's completely believable that idiots would propagate this, actually) stupid rationale

Who is doing that?

02-18-2018 , 03:12 PM

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SuperUberBob

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AFAIK, you can't hunt deer with an fully automatic rifles in PA.

At least I hope not.

02-18-2018 , 03:12 PM

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We can stop talking about hunting whenever since most people seem to be on board with allowing the types of guns typically used for hunting as they don’t lend themselves well to mass murder or even regular murder or suicide.

02-18-2018 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jayhawks

You cannot deny there are "sport" hunters who don't though. Not disagreeing with hunting as a valid means for self-sustaining means. I don't really have a qualm with hunters who do do that.

02-18-2018 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jayhawks

I'm not intending to be judgmental when I say it's recreational, but that is the main reason for like 90% the hunters out there. If they really just needed food, it'd be far easier to buy some from a grocery store. Basically, when rara says he needs his guns to put food on the table, I find that to be disingenuous.

Maybe there are actually people who live year round by substinence hunting in Alaska or whatever, but I'm pretty sure it's sport/recreational for the vast majority of hunters.

02-18-2018 , 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul D

You cannot deny there are "sport" hunters who don't though. Not disagreeing with hunting as a valid means for self-sustaining means. I don't really have a qualm with hunters who do do that.

I can not deny that. There are ****heads everywhere.

02-18-2018 , 03:16 PM

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stinkubus

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Once you factor in the cost of the needed gear, the time required to actually shoot one, and then the expense of having it butchered hunting is an incredibly expensive means of acquiring food.

02-18-2018 , 03:18 PM

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SuperUberBob

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There's also no guarantee that you'll come across an animal that can be legally hunted in a day. Each day you spend hunting is a day you spend not working to make money in order to keep the lights on.

02-18-2018 , 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I'm not intending to be judgmental when I say it's recreational, but that is the main reason for like 90% the hunters out there. If they really just needed food, it'd be far easier to buy some from a grocery store.

Maybe there are actually people who live year round by substinence hunting in Alaska or whatever, but I'm pretty sure it's sport/recreational for the vast majority of hunters.

I worked with this hilariously out-of-place guy in my early 20, who actually gave us deer jerky every once in awhile and hunted strictly to reduce grocery bills and live as cheaply as humanly possible.

There are those people in all states. I'd be curious to see actual ratio of people like that to "lets go kill some critters because fun!" is.

02-18-2018 , 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I'm not intending to be judgmental when I say it's recreational, but that is the main reason for like 90% the hunters out there. If they really just needed food, it'd be far easier to buy some from a grocery store.

Maybe there are actually people who live year round by substinence hunting in Alaska or whatever, but I'm pretty sure it's sport/recreational for the vast majority of hunters.

Of course it would easier to go to the store, nobody is going to argue that. And cheaper. But people I know and associate with and hunt with do it for the meat, the preparation, and the experience. Killing a wild animal, especially with a bow, is incredibly difficult but also incredibly rewarding.

02-18-2018 , 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stinkubus

Once you factor in the cost of the needed gear, the time required to actually shoot one, and then the expense of having it butchered hunting is an incredibly expensive means of acquiring food.

Sounds like there may be other reasons for hunting beyond acquiring food.

02-18-2018 , 03:27 PM

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stinkubus

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I've never disagreed. People hunt because it's fun and the state sanctions the hunts as a means of getting a little bit of revenue and not having to bear the expense of controlling the deer population themselves.