Recently might be a bit of a different story, but in general, this thread throughout the duration of it has been filled with mostly an anti-gun sentiment.

Well, there isn't a great deal of 'So I was thinking of fitting a beavertail to my M1911 Commander, thoughts?' or 'Does anyone else have cycling problems with Wilson 9mm? Should I go full Winchester?' Or indeed any of that. Mostly just 'Gun nuts suck and the Second Amendment is stupid,' those being indisputable facts.

Not really, noone here is saying that guns should be banned or that the second amendment should be repealed. It's just that there are obvious solutions to a problem and gun advocates don't want to allow any action at all to be taken.

We could have our cake and eat it too, but gun advocates refuse to give an inch whatsoever. And we have every right to post facts and statistics in this thread, as much as those may have an "anti-gun bias."

I'm starting to believe that Trump is campaigning to HELP Hillary, not defeat her.

Could have sworn it was the anti-carpool lanes of Chicago thread, my bad.

But we live in a constitutional republic, for the exact reason that we won't let a majority vote away the rights of others.

I would hazard a guess there are way move victims of sexual assault than transgendered people. Do you care about their comfort too, or are you part of the "they were asking for it" crowd?

And FYI: Pink Pistols is a LGBT pro 2A group.

Why do you assume everyone in the club was drinking? And as I pointed out earlier in the thread, more states allow the carry of firearms in establishments that serve alcohol than prohibit it. The drunks don't seem to be shooting it out all that much. You can be too drunk to drive in Nevada, but still be ok to carry. It has not been proven to be a problem.

So you point blank say that we won't let the many legislate the rights away of the few and then in your next breath you imply that transgender people shouldn't be able to choose the bathroom they want to, supporting the legislating away of their rights.

WHAT IS HAPPENING.

How is that a right? I don't have the right to piss wherever I choose.

Sexual assault is already illegal. You think a predator is going to be deterred from assaulting someone because it's now illegal to go into the women's bathroom? That law wasn't put in place to stop sexual assault, it was done to alienate trans individuals and to legalize discrimination against them. So just because it's a law, you're automatically on board?

Really interesting post on the topic on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistoria...with_a/d4fe4zp

So essentially the 2A was written to make sure the state could arm people to put down the type of people who are supporting the 2A today? Noice!

The point is, the best explanation I get is transgendered are more comfortable and that is why it is a right. But the comfort of sexual assault victims doesn't seem to matter to you. This is a disconnect I don't understand, and I'm not getting an explanation that makes any sense.

And that is why a got big problems with middle and high school locker rooms, not bathrooms. But all I get is my way or the highway.

But this is a problem on both sides. I ask about an "assault rifle" ban on a gun board, provided it includes a 1 term limit on the senate and 2 on the house. I got flamed worse than I ever have on 2+2. This has all become WWI trench warfare, and there is no middle ground anymore.

And we haven't had any problems, are you looking to pass legislation for nothing?

lol LAS always and forever.

Also what the **** are you talking about "comfort of sexual assault victims"? What do term limits have to do with gun control?

I mean you posted "hey if we can't discriminate against trans students we will just forgo federal funding and end women's athletics" and now you are concerned about women? What does a trans person pissing have to do with sexual assault?

You got it right with your argument the first time. Just screw you, shut the **** up, and do what your betters tell you on this one. Oh and try not to support any Fincum or Bundy or Hage atrocities like you did with your last lol issue

Who is being assaulted by transgender people in bathrooms and locker rooms?

That is 100% on the side of the NRA and their allies who have opposed any kind of regulation and have forced this into an all or nothing proposition. Like, I'm pretty liberal but I don't have a big problem with people owning hunting rifles so they can shoot animals or handguns/shotguns for self defense. Banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and implementing tighter background checks seems like a pretty reasonable compromise.

The NRA has forced this discussion into a spot where we either have ALL THE GUNS or no guns. They've always won in the past, but I have to wonder how much longer they can continue to dominate the debate when the public is solidly against them.

This is a politics subforum. If you want to discuss the ins and outs of firearms without the politics you might head to OOT.

My gut is our gun laws aren't any tighter five years from now but are much tighter 25 years from now as the Republicans lose national elections and the supreme/appeals courts become more liberal.

thanks for the reply, batair. we started with

and IIRC, that was because you thought the chance of an accident (UNSAFE) is more or less balanced out with the chance you use your gun to save yourself from danger (SAFER).

re: gun as +LiveSafety because burglers

you don't actually think your gun makes you safer from burglers at home. between 8pm and 8am when you're at home, what's the upside to having a loaded gun? that quote says you don't believe the 'savior burgler' fantasy will ever happen to you.

somewhere in your house you have your chair. could be a couch, beanbag, but you get what Im saying-the spot you relax. I have one too, most people do. things are more comfortable that way. usually our spots have a table close by. which object on your table, iyo, makes it less likely you'll be shot?

A. a gun
B. a bowl of hummus
C. no difference

WTF are you talking about? Sexual assault victims? What do they have to do with this discussion? They aren't being assaulted by trans people in bathrooms. Or do you think being trans automatically makes someone a predator? That's rich. You're all over the place here. Pick one topic at a time and focus on that.

There you go again saying something you dont know. You need to stop that or the conversation is going to end real quick.

I dont have any loaded guns in my house. The bullets arent even in the same room or floor. Both under lock.

As far as why i have them its not defense from the wild humans. They were gifts from my dad, i like to target practice time to time, and i use to hunt and might again someday... since it is a more moral and honest way to be a carnivore.

Is the gun loaded? How long has the hummus been there?

Dont answer. Its A. Now what?

I guess you're on the other side of the issue than I am and that's that. The thing guns are best at is killing people. Everything else you think is great about guns is a consequence of "that metal thing can kill me/someone/something else instantly".

If you think a gun makes a person safer I disagree and feel bad people think that. Americans thinking like that about guns is why all those people on TV get killed so often.

You dont know where i am on the issue of gun rights. But if you are for there complete removal, i am on the other side. Otherwise im pretty opened to gun law reforms.

OMG. You have no clue.

You're right, I have no clue what you are trying to cobble together with all these weird tangents.

Try again.

PE's stone cold lock of the week: LAS admits that transgender people sexually assaulting others in bathrooms isn't an actual problem, but that "some people" are afraid they might and we should legislate based on that. Or that predators are going to say they "feel like a woman" one day and use the opportunity to assault women in the bathroom.

Does Australia have lots of unisex public toilets? Is this at all a problem there?

not responding to you batair, just pointing out the bolded-that's a consequence of the long-term cowardice on the anti-gun side. you have a guy who won't say a bowl of hummus is less dangerous than a gun, and he genuinely thinks he's open to reform.

that's because when Democrats huddle, while janitors mop up gallons of blood off an elementary school's floor, they propose a new form for people to fill out. that
s their idea. "we will check all backgrounds!" they say, "never!' reply the Republicans, and gun fetishists can think to themselves "golly gee here I am right in the middle. I can wait 5 days to buy enough ammunition to kill 500 people. let's just have some sensible gun policy people and compromise like Americans.". and every day our legislators debate, 100 Americans are killed by guns. and you still don't have to fill out the form.