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01-12-2014 , 10:49 AM

#401

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Originally Posted by schu_22

I find it hilarious that despite how idiotic Repubs looked (still look) shouting about Benghazi, liberals have apparently learned nothing from this and are going bat**** crazy about Christie. Like he did a ****ty thing, whatever, stfu, who cares, just don't vote for him if it means that much to you. But so goes politics

****ty things is a pretty big category. What Christie did is an ominous indication of his leadership style and so it is very relevant.

The reaction is pretty predictable. Christie is (was) obviously a front runner for the republican nomination. Taking him out now thins down the field, especially the sub-field of "moderate" viable republicans. Most of the other front runners are tea party wackos. I can't think of anyone other than CC who is considered moderate and is even being talked about.

01-12-2014 , 12:10 PM

#402

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Originally Posted by Jim Russell

I agree that it is undeniable fact that there are more ******ed conservative groups than liberal groups, so naturally more conservative groups will be targeted.

Were you hoping for some kinda quota system?

Not by percentages either Jim. That line of argument doesn't work either.

01-12-2014 , 02:05 PM

#403

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

The IRS targeted groups based on political affiliation.

Targeted what sort of groups? For what? How were they targeted, and by whom?

01-12-2014 , 02:12 PM

#404

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pvn you're also invited to explain in your own words what the IRS scandal was.

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The IRS targeted groups based on political affiliation.

Could totally describe a scandal! We all get that. And I know Peggy Noonan and the Daily Caller both keep mentioning the IRS scandal, but have you guys noticed how the right wing media has transitioned from "paying attention to the IRS scandal" to the much more profitable "whining that the lamestream media won't pay attention to the IRS scandal"?

01-12-2014 , 02:24 PM

#405

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

The IRS targeted groups based on political affiliation.

But this doesn't indicate a scandal. 501-C3's are supposed to have limited political activities, so you would expect the IRS to target politically affiliated organizations.

01-12-2014 , 03:01 PM

#406

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

But this doesn't indicate a scandal. 501-C3's are supposed to have limited political activities, so you would expect the IRS to target politically affiliated organizations.

of a certain affiliation? No dude. Sorry.

01-12-2014 , 03:06 PM

#407

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Ikes have you read the testimony of the involved IRS agents? I'd like to see a quote where one of them said they were targeting conservative groups over liberal groups because of their affiliation.

01-12-2014 , 03:09 PM

#408

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Remember, my post that asked ikes about this included this part:

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Like who was harmed, why it qualifies as a scandal, etc?

He didn't answer those questions. Crickets, even.

01-12-2014 , 03:16 PM

#409

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Now that this thread is officially the "Distract away from Bridgegate by bringing up Dem scandals" thread, someone needs to make a Bingo board with IRS-gate, NSA-gate, drones-gate, guns to Mexico-gate, "Would have looked like Trayvon"-gate, and Henry Louis Gates-gate.

Benghaziiiiiigate is the free space, obv.

01-12-2014 , 03:17 PM

#410

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Remember, my post that asked ikes about this included this part:

He didn't answer those questions. Crickets, even.

The tea party groups investigated and it qualifies as a scandal because it's a simple abuse of government power. This isn't difficult.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benholio

Ikes have you read the testimony of the involved IRS agents? I'd like to see a quote where one of them said they were targeting conservative groups over liberal groups because of their affiliation.

What? You can easily look at their actions. They investigated conservative groups at a much higher rate and in much higher numbers. Again, this isn't difficult.

01-12-2014 , 03:20 PM

#411

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Actually not my plan but I didn't expect such ridiculous hypocrisy from people on the tea party thing. The scandals obviously have some differences, but they're pretty damn similar overall.

01-12-2014 , 03:25 PM

#412

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

The tea party groups investigated and it qualifies as a scandal because it's a simple abuse of government power. This isn't difficult.

That's the definition of scandal. What is the abuse? Should Tea Party groups have carte blanche to ignore the tax exemption classification system?

ikes, the little light that "oh **** maybe these guys know more than me" should be flashing for you. Your sources for this are a menagerie of wingnuts, morons, and Ghost Breitbart's harem of twinks.

They may not be up to speed on the minutiae of the tax code!

01-12-2014 , 03:27 PM

#413

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

That's the definition of scandal. What is the abuse? Should Tea Party groups have carte blanche to ignore the tax exemption classification system?

That's not what happened fly. They were specifically targeted based on political affiliation. You're running in circles now.

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ikes, the little light that "oh **** maybe these guys know more than me" should be flashing for you. Your sources for this are a menagerie of wingnuts, morons, and Ghost Breitbart's harem of twinks.

They may not be up to speed on the minutiae of the tax code!

LOL and yet you don't provide contradictory piece of evidence for any of my assertions on the subject. You suck so hard at this.

01-12-2014 , 03:29 PM

#414

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To just cut to the chase, there's not evidence that there was any abuse here, just an attempt by the IRS to enforce a confusing law:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...scandal-fizzle

And the "victims" just had some extra paperwork to fill out to determine if they qualified.

Like, at no point is ikes going to argue that the Tea Party groups in question weren't engaged in political activity(or, conversely, that liberal groups that were engaged in political activity were given a free pass, which is what it would take for this to qualify as abuse). He can't even comprehend the issue involved. But oh, definitely, a scandal. PEGGY NOONAN SAID SO

01-12-2014 , 03:34 PM

#415

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Lol Hume

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HOST HOWARD KURTZ : So what about this bully narrative [surrounding Chris Christie]?

FOX SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST BRIT HUME: Well, I would have to say that in this sort of feminized atmosphere in which we exist today, guys who are masculine and muscular like that in their private conduct, kind of old fashion tough guys, run some risk.

FOX CONTRIBUTOR LAUREN ASHBURN: Feminized?

KURTZ: Feminized.

HUME: Atmosphere.

KURTZ: By which you mean?

HUME: By which I mean that men today have learned the lesson the hard way that if you act like a kind of an old fashioned guy's guy, you're in constant danger of slipping out and saying something that's going to get you in trouble and make you look like a sexist or make you look like you seem thuggish or whatever. That's the atmosphere in which he operates. This guy is very much an old fashioned masculine, muscular guy, and there are political risks associated with that. Maybe it shouldn't be, but that's how it is.

01-12-2014 , 03:35 PM

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ikestoys confirmed as 9/11 Rudy's gimmick account

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...l-irs-benghazi

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Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) on Sunday compared the controversy surrounding New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and the George Washington Bridge lane closures last year to the IRS scandal and Benghazi when defending the governor.

"The reality is, things go wrong in an administration. And frankly, you know, he was in campaign-mode at the time, during campaign-mode you miss a lot of things. You're not paying as much attention," he said on ABC's "This Week." "We see that with Benghazi."

When asked whether Christie's office culture encouraged his aides and appointees to use the lane closures as political retribution, Giuliani said Christie's staff should not have interpreted his style that way, comparing the situation to the IRS controversy.

"The people in the IRS though President Obama wanted them to do this. President Obama didn't want them to do this. But they got the sense because of that culture that they were supposed to target right wing groups. It was totally wrong," Giuliani said. "I think it was totally wrong for these people to have interpreted Chris Christie this way."

01-12-2014 , 03:35 PM

#417

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

LOL KEVIN DRUMZ SAID A POWERPOINT SAID THEY INVESTIGATE POSSIBLE POLTICAL ORGS!

**** dude, that changes nothing, absolutely ****ing nothing about how the results of those programs being absolutely and totally one sided and the IRS saying they were in the wrong.

01-12-2014 , 03:36 PM

#418

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LOL Brit Hume appears to be both

A) Flamingly homosexual

B) With really low standards for "muscular"

01-12-2014 , 03:37 PM

#419

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There was a rush of new tea party affiliated groups druing the time period in question, of course they might get more scrutiny.

Not a smoking gun in sight that says the IRS was acting as a result partisan ill-will or revenge.

01-12-2014 , 03:37 PM

#420

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C'mon guys, if we're not going to talk about anything other than Bridgeghazi, at least pick a non-boring scandal to argue over. IRSghazi was just zzzzzzzzzzzzz

01-12-2014 , 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

This x1000. You know that a thread about a Republican has resulted in a lopsided defeat when the torchbearers resort to the "yeah but Obama/Clinton/Democrats/intellectuals/liberals/MSNBC/whoever/whatever sucks" argument.

I can only imagine the LOLs that this board would have generated had it been around during Watergate.

01-12-2014 , 03:39 PM

#422

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

LOL Brit Hume appears to be both

A) Flamingly homosexual

B) With really low standards for "muscular"

solid stuff fly.

01-12-2014 , 03:42 PM

#423

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

LOL Brit Hume appears to be both

A) Flamingly homosexual

B) With really low standards for "muscular"

If Christie is muscular, then I am Adonis incarnate.

01-12-2014 , 03:44 PM

#424

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Originally Posted by champstark

ikestoys confirmed as 9/11 Rudy's gimmick account

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...l-irs-benghazi

Guiliani is completely right. If christie truly didn't know about the bridge closing (something I'll happily admit is possible), then he bears the same amount of responsibility for the IRS abuses. That really isn't that much, and my position on Obama's responsibility was the same.

This thread does nicely illustrate the complete intellectual dishonesty of many on the left in this board.

01-12-2014 , 03:46 PM

#425

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

C'mon guys, if we're not going to talk about anything other than Bridgeghazi, at least pick a non-boring scandal to argue over. IRSghazi was just zzzzzzzzzzzzz

True dat. I think the IRS situtation may turn out to be a good thing for all. It did reveal a big hole in their game. That is assuming the end result is the IRS follows the law accurately and with clear guidance to minimize the potential for political abuse. It'd be a lot easier to achieve this outcome if certain concerned groups would start cooperating and stop playing the crucified victim.

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