They have interactions with alcoholics, drug abusers, psychiatrically ill, criminals, etc on a regular basis. Being mindful of your safety and asking someone to put their hands up seems like a sensible request.

Exactly.Quit acting a fool.

Ain't always fair or right but living to get pissed over it ....priceless.

There's plenty of fail. There's victim blaming for one. There's the insinuation that if the cops tell you not to video tape them, you need to listen. There's the gross generalization that society is "uncivilized and vulgar." Just a lot of pearl clutching in general. And that was just the first paragraph. LOL.

You know what's a sensible request? Not being shot and killed from the police when you are not committing a crime.

But they can at least spell Charlotte.

The body cam video cleared nothing up. Have not seem the dash cam yet.

It's Charlet. Get it right. I lived there so I know. Duh.

Have no idea why they sat on those videos.

Because even if he has a gun in his hand he is backing up and never raises it would be my guess.

It also seems sensible to request that the cops not summarily execute these people when they're slow to put their hands up.

politics forum, nice knowing you lol

It sort of clears up for me the fact that the objects on the ground in the wife's video were all gloves. That and the guy's right ankle appears to have a blurry something that looks kind of like the holster they admitted into evidence on it.

Dash cam looked to me like he had something in his hand when he was getting out of the car (or being strangely arm-out limp-wristed), that what the guy in red was passing to the black cop was very likely gloves and not a gun/the gun on the ground... and that he got shot with his arms down not pointing or moving to point.

Yea I was thinking that. Without the weed sighting they'd be in some trouble.

Smoking some weed is like a class c misdemeanor, like stealing ice cream from a store, not punishable by public execution as far as I'm aware.

Of course not, but the opportune sighting of weed and a gun is a good way to explain, after the fact, why they were bothering the guy when they were supposed to be doing something else. A gun alone wouldn't be enough and weed alone would be a weak reason but weed + gun = menace to society. Maybe that's how it went down, maybe it's a nice CYA, who knows?

100% CYA. Yeah cops are some sketchy ****s imo.

Taxpayers pay for police, not robbers. We hold police to higher standards as we hope they hold themselves.

Small crimes shouldn't lead to deaths.

What is interesting about both of these cases is that officers involved were on completely different cases than the ones they shot their suspects.

Tulsa Sheriff was on her way to a domestic violence call and the Charlotte officer was on his was to make an arrest for a warrant. And somehow a person with car problem and a guy smoking a joint are both dead. It wasn't like they saw a bank robbery in progress. It does appear from the videos that each situation escalated extremely quickly (seconds). It is the officer that should much better trained and equipped on de-escalating any situation. For everyone's sake.

the problem is that people who share your sentiment don't want to be police officers. the ones who want to be police officers are ex-military, love to hunt, love to go to the firing range, pick up driving frat boy types. thus we end up with the kind of police force that we have today.

Then we have to change the type of people. A person who was trained to shoot someone in a cave in Afghanistan is probably not the right person to be called out to a domestic violence call. The officer in Tulsa had TWO domestic violence/restraining orders against HER personally. Everything about the military is so different. The military attacks in waves with thousands of people with a huge arsenal. In the US, we are sending them out in waves of 2 or 4 people and only giving them a gun. And not much less or more. Sheriffs in the Wild West had a rope to use from a distance. I am sure someone who served in the military is freaked out by all of this and is prone to use their weapon.

a big reason marijuana is still mostly illegal today is because police (and GOP voters) want that excuse for escalating with civilians (disproportionately non-white) that are otherwise not breaking the law. with NC being an open carry state, if marijuana were also legal, Keith Lamont Scott would still be alive

"If you submit and are respectful you might get assaulted by police but not shot" is not a great argument to make.

Your insightful soul-read seems spot on, I'm sure you are just running cold lately

Those are the facts. Police are the lawful authority. Whether they have probable cause to arrest and/or behave appropriately, under the law we must comply. The only time we can resist arrest and defend ourselves is if the arrest is illegal (objectively) and we have a reasonable fear for our lives.(objective standard)

In all of these police shooting in the media, the arrestees have disobeyed the police commands ad the arrests were lawful. In my opinion, this entire debate is absurd.

If I was black, I would be arguing for better policing in my community so the astronomical black on black crime rate is reduced.

At the same time I would be arguing for reform of the criminal justice system especially in terms of sentencing and drug crimes.

The issue of "implicit bias" which the black lives matter movement admits black officers possess, cannot be legislated away because it is unconscious.

I do not see how we can argue that government should be in the business of making laws with the threat of force behind them which seek to regulate the subconscious minds of citizens.

What is wrong with dispensing accurate common sense advice to avoid being killed?

You would prefer everyone was confrontational and non compliant with police officers so they maximize their chance of getting killed in every encounter with a police officer?