The GOP war on voting - Page 99 - Politics and Economics

"Evidence" is an interesting term, especially since the first election that most of the new laws (both proposed and in effect) will take place on Tuesday.

To me, the discovery of large numbers of people who are registered to vote both in both Maryland and Virginia, the claims that legitimate voters have been disenfranchised in Georgia, videos of party loyalists encouraging illegals to vote, the reporting of blank ballots being sold for cash, the revelation in the Washington Post, where as many as 6% of adult illegals actually voted in recent Presidential elections, and the publication by La Raza of the states or counties in the country where one can vote without ID, are all "evidence" that the voting laws, are, if nothing else, a good start in cleaning up the elections, because, to me, the stakes have proved to be so high that it's naive to think there's not widespread cheating through the open door policy we have had due to our sophomoric belief that nobody would ever cast a vote when they were not eligible.

I suspect that you do not consider these issues as "evidence."

We don't count these as evidence because evidence is an actual word with an actual meaning and the bulletpoints you listed do not meet that meaning.

11-01-2014 , 04:12 PM

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How many people are going to risk federal jail time to cast one or two extra votes? And none have ever been caught? Bigfoot is orders of magnitude more likely than any form of organized in person voter fraud.

765?

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Specifically, the check found 765 voters whose first and last names, dates of birth and last four digits of their Social Security numbers matched exactly with a voter registered in another state and who voted in both states in 2012.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/04/...#storylink=cpy

11-01-2014 , 04:48 PM

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How does ID prevent that?

11-01-2014 , 05:00 PM

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Are there ANY Republican politicians possessing an ounce of shame and intellectual honesty such that they have come out against this bull****?

I mean, maybe Rand Paul, kind of? What does it say about the party that nobody will stand up and be counted to oppose this nonsense?

11-01-2014 , 05:32 PM

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I don't know if I've seen an issue where both sides are as completely closed-minded to the other's point of view.

11-01-2014 , 05:47 PM

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I don't know if I've seen an issue where both sides are as completely closed-minded to the other's point of view.

This is not an issue where both sides are equally in the wrong, Jesus Christ.

11-01-2014 , 05:50 PM

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http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/s...singcourt.html

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Yesterday, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Christopher Brasher denied a petition from voter rights advocates that would have forced the Georgia Secretary of State to process an estimated 40,000 voter registration forms now missing from a public database.

As reported two weeks ago, voter registration drives sponsored by the New Georgia Project had collected the necessary forms from an estimated 80,000 people around the state. But while voters in affluent communities seemed to receive their registration cards in a timely fashion, over half of those who applied, mostly those from poorer and predominantly minority neighborhoods, were still waiting, some as long as six months, and there was no record of these potential voters in the system.

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This is not merely academic. In July, Kemp was recorded telling a group of Georgia GOP insiders that he was concerned Democrats were registering too many minority voters. In September, Kemp launched a fraud investigation into the New Georgia Project’s registration drive, though he has never said why he suspected fraud.

The Republican deputy whip of the Georgia Senate complained that racially diverse DeKalb County was making it too easy for minorities to cast ballots by allowing voting in a mall close to predominantly African-American churches.

But Judge Brasher ruled that it was “premature” to suspect that state officials would “fail to carry out their mandatory duties.”

11-01-2014 , 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cocanat

I don't know if I've seen an issue where both sides are as completely closed-minded to the other's point of view.

lol fake balance

11-01-2014 , 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

This is not an issue where both sides are equally in the wrong, Jesus Christ.

Agreed

11-01-2014 , 06:23 PM

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How does ID prevent that?

I don't know that it does, in fact I would say it seems like that would prove it doesn't.

11-01-2014 , 06:23 PM

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765?

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/04/...#storylink=cpy

After initial hysteria, back-pedaling over NC voter fraud claims

Kim Strach, director of the elections board ( thevoterupdate.com):

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“Could it be voter fraud? Sure, it could be voter fraud. Could it be error on the part of precinct officials choosing the wrong person? It could be,” Strach said. “We are looking at each individual case to determine what in fact it is.”

Strach added that “if we have evidence that in fact a person did vote for someone else, then that is a criminal violation, and we will absolutely refer that (to the district attorney). But we have to make sure that’s what happened, and that it wasn’t an error on someone’s part.”

Spoiler alert: It isn't voter fraud. These numbers come from the Interstate Crosscheck program, which, despite having processed over 84 million records, has only referred 14 cases for prosecution (politifact) and has not been able to provide evidence of even a single charge of voter fraud resulting from them. (axisphilly.org)

The program was, unsurprisingly, the brainchild of GOP lawmaker Kris Kobach - most known for writing legislation cracking down on immigration (Arizona bill, etc.) and voter ID.

So there you have it. A GOP program created to rile gullible people up over voter fraud is doing just that, despite failing to produce a single confirmed result.

11-01-2014 , 06:32 PM

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So 14 were democrats and the other 751 were republicans. Doesn't mean there aren't 765 serial votests running around sticking their ballots in boxes they shouldn't.

11-01-2014 , 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cocanat

I don't know if I've seen an issue where both sides are as completely closed-minded to the other's point of view.

Does your point of view include any evidence of voter fraud that would be prevented by ID?

11-01-2014 , 06:50 PM

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My comment is based upon an opinion that I don't think either side is open to the other's argument at all. I don't know if I've ever run across an issue like this.

11-01-2014 , 07:07 PM

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Do you often argue in favor of policies that in no way even attempt to solve the problem they describe?

11-01-2014 , 07:11 PM

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I don't know if I've seen an issue where both sides are as completely closed-minded to the other's point of view.

You really believe that most republican politicians really think voter ID is a good law, and not that they only support it because it might help them to win elections? What color is the sky in your world?

11-01-2014 , 07:16 PM

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Do you often argue in favor of policies that in no way even attempt to solve the problem they describe?

In coca's mind voter fraud is just fine, so long as it's the type of fraud where thousands of people are prevented from voting. He's vehemently against any other type, and he's not just pretending to be that way because it might allow the GOP to win more elections, clearly.

11-01-2014 , 08:50 PM

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Of course I'm not going to be open minded to programs designed to fix imaginary problems that the programs themselves can't even address.

11-02-2014 , 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/s...singcourt.html

Haven't you heard? This is now an argument for voter ID laws.

11-02-2014 , 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Benholio

After initial hysteria, back-pedaling over NC voter fraud claims

Kim Strach, director of the elections board ( thevoterupdate.com):

Spoiler alert: It isn't voter fraud. These numbers come from the Interstate Crosscheck program, which, despite having processed over 84 million records, has only referred 14 cases for prosecution (politifact) and has not been able to provide evidence of even a single charge of voter fraud resulting from them. (axisphilly.org)

The program was, unsurprisingly, the brainchild of GOP lawmaker Kris Kobach - most known for writing legislation cracking down on immigration (Arizona bill, etc.) and voter ID.

So there you have it. A GOP program created to rile gullible people up over voter fraud is doing just that, despite failing to produce a single confirmed result.

This will be completely ignored, then two pages later the North Carolina voter fraud thing will be brought up again breathlessly as if it was an accepted fact that we all settled on.

I feel like I'm in the Amanda Knox thread. I'm assuming most of these no avatar posters will gloat for a bit then disappear after the election.

11-02-2014 , 10:00 AM

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This all is just manufactured anger from the pajama boys so they have something to blame for their crushing loss on Tuesday. It won't be a rejection of leftist policies. It will because millions upon millions of leftists were disenfranchised.

11-02-2014 , 10:18 AM

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WTF is a pajama boy?

11-02-2014 , 10:21 AM

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Agreed

Please explain you position that both sides are being close minded on this issue.

11-02-2014 , 10:26 AM

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WTF is a pajama boy?

11-02-2014 , 10:32 AM

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It sure won't be a rejection of leftist policies, that's for sure. Those leftist policies seem to be so enormously popular that even Mitch McConnell won't challenge them:

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McConnell has some difficulty with the Obamacare issue because the Kentucky version, known as Kynect, has been a huge success. About half a million Kentuckians signed up for health insurance, many receiving it for the first time. Fewer than 100,000 joined private insurance plans; that means the bulk of the population joined Medicaid, which was greatly expanded under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare.

But at the same time, Obama is deeply unpopular in Kentucky and polls indicate that many Kentuckians do not associate Kynect with Obamacare. So McConnell threads a very difficult needle here, suggesting the Web site can continue while the law that created it must be scrapped.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ost-obamacare/

The "pajama boy" line is a sick burn, tho. Keep reminding us of Obamacare, that's a solid play for you Republicans.

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