It's almost like products people are happy to trade their net worth for are not well handled by the free market.

wat

The reason getting a drug approved is expensive is that you have to prove its benefits.

Are you implying that there would be a better healthcare system if pharmaceutical companies randomly released untested drugs, and let the free market decide if the drug is good for something??

(I considered posting this in the hall of shame quote thread instead of continuing this derail)

You realize that there's a 1200-page thread on obamacare literally right next to this one, right?

Here's a question, if the high cost of health care is due to having too much government in it, why is it that the USA, which has the least amount of government in healthcare in the developed world, has the most expensive health care system? Countries where the government is essentially running the entire system are in fact paying billions less, and getting better results to boot. How do you explain that?

Also, with respect to the FDA, I know a guy who made a few million dollars once selling a product called coral calcium by claiming that it cured cancer. I also know of a bunch of people pushing something called oil of oregano as a treatment for (I think) whooping cough. Now do you think specious claims like that would be better or worse in an unregulated drug market?

Don't ya know? The market will regulate itself. Coral calcium man will be shunned and run out of business.

Sure he will make millions of dollars first, but THINK OF THE SHUNNING!

This is where KegNog goes into snark mode.

WTF doesn't have an ID? Seriously. I don't know a single person without one. Even these dirt poor Liberians with Ebola coming into America have valid IDs.

My photo ID was $25 and it's good for 9 years. That's < $3/year which is like half a pack of cigarettes or half a draft beer.

Can we ban people for making the same weak arguments while refusing to even consider counter-arguments that have been made probably 50 times itt?

Which are?

I mean this whole "war on voting" is just the new thing for the pajama boys to whine about while the "war on women" is put on the back burner.

I needed an ID to get to work today, I needed an ID to get into my building at work, I needed an ID to make a bank transaction, I'll need my ID to get into the bar and buy drinks tonight, I'll need my ID to board my plane tomorrow. And guess what? I didn't incessantly bitch and threaten legal action each time today I was asked to prove who I was.

Young, white, middle class male with young, white, middle class male friends thinks everyone should have the same life experiences as young, white middle class males.

In a shocking turn of events, the judge in Georgia who was hearing the case has refused to intervene

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...r-suppression/

So there's 40,000 people who properly registered to vote but won't get to vote in this election. This is essentially state-sponsored disenfranchisement, and no one will have a problem with it (no one on the right, anyway).

That's infuriating

I don't have a current valid ID.

I have a visual disability, so I can't drive. (Well, I could, but pedestrians probably don't want me to.)

It's a pain in the ass to get it renewed and I don't ever need it. Okay, I have been denied a beer maybe twice because my ID was expired.

Did you really think it was some sort of liberal lie that there are people without valid ID?

Lol, wait, we actually found someone arguing in favour of a poll tax. Amazing.

For the same price as a cup of coffee, you too could be allowed to vote.

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http://www.mlive.com/politics/index....s_rigging.html

its worth noting too that there are laws preventing Americans from going to canada to buy the exact same drugs because they can charge Americans more for the same drugs. It is not because of the FDA that we pay sometimes several times for for the same drug as Canadians do.

study after study has shown that approximately 20% of Americans don't have IDs... but JAAASH doesn't know any so it must not be real!

Show your work and cite said "study after study." The only people I could see not having an ID would be like 90 year olds that don't leave the nursing home. But who cares about them, the leftists say they will just vote Republican anyway.

What about the Amish?

Hey, who would have guessed that Jaaash didn't bother reading the first 150 posts of the thread before commenting?

He said it was 20%. You clearly just showed he exaggerated his number greatly.

Sure, he quoted the wrong number for total Americans. At the same time, 11 percent is still quite common, and 25% among blacks is very high.

Jaaash is totally ok with disenfranchisin a quarter of the black voters though.

After all, he doesn't know any so they must not be real

In before the next "how hard is it for the blacks to get an ID" post that mentions nothing of the right to vote overruling government power to prohibit an eligible vote.

Well ACORN stole the election for the darkie back in 2008, so Jaaash is on the job makin sure that **** don't fly this time around.