add that those people in the house, senate, and white house are illegitimate because too many people are voting.

Fyp

Don't fix my posts unless you show some ID, boy!

England? Canada?

Discrimination in da house

Yes, all of the illegal immigrants streaming in from Canada to get away from their free healthcare in order to pay outrageous sums for ours.

You're joking right?

Really.... you need to read more:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/glenn-c...egistered-vote

Now, the issuance of a passport like ID which 100,000,000 Americans have already is a "DRACONIAN ID".


Of course, you don't have a ****ing clue what I favor other than I favor an national passport like ID for US citizens. Hardly the need for a "massive bureaucracy". 100,000,000 are already in circulation.

Also, uber lutz for raising the 10th amendment. Oh the irony.

Again for the uninitiated, what is fascist about favoring a passport like national ID which 1/3 of the American public already have requested????

I understand Halloween is around the corner, but sooooo many straw men have been erected in this commentary , I doubt there will be any left to scare the kids.

You didn't answer my question. Will the government come personally deliver these to all citizens eligible to vote?

OT: why shouldn't non-citizen immigrants who live and work here be allowed to vote?

If you are unhappy with how Nevada registers its voters (I have registered to vote, voted, and registered other people to vote in that state. It seems like they run a pretty tight ship imo), you should take that up with the government of Nevada. That's what the 10th amendment is for, and yes there is a very solid legal case against mandatory national ID based on that amendment. It's not my fault you don't seem capable of understanding the legal argument.

Passports are for enabling international travel only. Requiring their use within the country for anything is ultranationalism. It's really creepy and fundamentally at odds with the principles this country is based on. You should be ashamed for suggesting it, and you should be even more ashamed that you still don't understand that there are ways to accomplish exactly what you want to accomplish without it.

If you knew anything about what you are talking about, you would probably be aware of the Real ID Act. It does many of the things you think you want. You should maybe google that and have a gander at the groups opposing it. It's a pretty broad coalition.

You also seem to not understand what a straw man argument is. Maybe google that too?

Dude, you really need to learn to stay on topic if you're going to try to debate with somebody

Hands up everyone who introduced the topic of healthcare in the war on voting thread.

Huh... just you then.

Kegnog, you know people in Canada/Europe routinely talked about "Thank god things aren't like the USA" wrt Healthcare, right? It's not a myth at all.

Everything we have seen has pointed towards Keg being chewed up and spit out by the great Republican hype machine.

To include a paralleled point of view doesn't redirect the topic of discussion.

To say "the entire world" but exclude Europe or Canada does.

Ignorance breeds ignorance

Im a quite certain there are some who hold that view. And I know for fact many people have to from those other countries to the USA because they were held on waiting lists to get procedures that were readily available in the states. In terms of cancer patients, this is also a factor.
The problems with healthcare were never related to the quality of care. The problems stem from monetary issues. Yet obamacare will not significantly improve the monetary cost (over time it will increase it & already has for many to include myself), yet there is quite a bit of talk about the quality of care being reduced as private practice doctor offices will go with the times as home visit doctors have.
Seems a straw man created by the liberals to create policy to fit an agenda that didnt fix the problem. Hence the initial correlation to obamacare.

I realize none of you care to see beyond your own nose in any of these discussions.

No one doubts that if you have the money you can get good care in the US.

You do understand there is such a thing as first and third worlds, right?




Did... did you just insult yourself for me?

The whole "we wish our health care was just like the US because no waiting lists" spouted by other first world countries is just another republican talking point that doesn't really exist. Emergency care in those countries works exactly like it does in ours, except it's free and won't bankrupt you.

spank gimmick?

Well I'm Canadian and I promise we laugh at your health care system all the time. Why wouldn't we? I pay no premiums, no deductible, no co-pay and have pretty much unlimited access to one of the best systems in the world. You guys pay through the nose and get one ranked what? Fiftieth? Then a guy comes along who proposes fixing it all and you scream tyranny. It boggles the mind.

Like I get it that you think geniuses like Dr. House only work in the US, but it's not really like that. For one there are plenty of smart docs in other countries as well (yes, even France), and for another only the ultra rich can even get in the door to see House. The rest are lucky if they can see the Australian assistant who thought everything was lupus.

Yup, it's been dinner table conversation for decades. "Holy ****, they pay how much? If they need this, it costs how much? The way you choose/get a doctor works, how?"

You also put an insane more amount of money into your system then say, the UK or Canada. It's because it was and still continues to be terribly, terribly inefficient. Lol insurance providers, lol of the myth of "public sector cant do anything right' actually winning the debate in the USA.

Keg is one of those people that is "'Murica #1!!!" Your standing on education/healthcare/most things important isn't very high outside your borders.

All of you guys realize the cost of healthcare is mostly due to govt regulations, right? Google the cost to get any drug regulated by the FDA.

I'm all for regulating health care and I'm all for voter laws that reduce/eliminate fraud. But to claim govt intervention in a free market is mandatory yet govt intervention over constitutional protected rights (for citizens) is discriminatory is laughable at best.

There already is government oversight on voting. In case you didn't notice, it isn't run by a third party private company.

Government regulation over something that can end or save a citizen's life instead of trusting it to a for profit company only makes sense. The fact that it's been privatized for so long here is exactly what makes the health care system here a laughingstock