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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

11-04-2016 , 01:36 PM
inso, lol.
11-04-2016 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Yeah well that is what's wrong with the new normal in politics. Was it always this adversarial? Historians of 2p2, clue us in. President HRC isn't going to help this. She'll be too busy using the office for personal gain. Trump's competitive instincts will probably make it worse.
If there's a Republican congress Hillary probably won't be able to help this. But it's not her fault if congress shuts down the government every other week.

It hasn't always been like this. The Republicans elected a slew of Tea Party idiots in 2010 and congress has been FUBAR ever since.
11-04-2016 , 01:38 PM
Scalia wrote about gays sitting on flagpoles in an official Supreme Court decision for christsakes! That may pass for brilliant thinking compared to the derposhere the GOP has devolved into but lol at acting like liberals are obligated to defer to his opinions as brilliant scholarly work.
11-04-2016 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
The left is disappointed if their coffee comes with two drops more cream than they asked for. It's why Bernie voters going Trump is a thing.

Also, for antneye I'm just going to leave this here. Note the date.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/04/th...rrick-garland/
bernie voters that are going for trump are doing it for the same reason people on disability or welfare might vote for trump: they're completely uninformed
11-04-2016 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by miajag
Antonin ****ing Scalia was confirmed 98-0

Why not guy was a perfectly moderate justice? Inso0 if laws are so easy to interpret why do you think there are so many 5-4 decisions? And why was Scollia always on the conservative side?
11-04-2016 , 01:40 PM
So shrinking labor force because all the dumbass boomers are all retiring. But hey, apparently the shrinking labor force is goosing salaries for the rest of us. You know supply vs. demand?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ges-accelerate

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“This is a good, solid report, consistent with the fed moving in December and certainly consistent with 2 percent economic growth,” said John Silvia, chief economist at Wells Fargo Securities LLC in Charlotte, North Carolina. “Growth across wages was strong, which is going to reinforce the Fed’s view.”


Ins0 and friends, I know how much you hate good news. Take some time, go to drudge to re-enrage yourselves, it will be ok.
11-04-2016 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Also teh blacks who want to vote



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us...rt-ruling.html



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_County_v._Holder







Not at all sad that he's gone forever idgaf what that makes me

Thanks for the citations. I was pretty sure this was the case but on my phone and didn't want to pass along incorrect information
11-04-2016 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
If there's a Republican congress Hillary probably won't be able to help this. But it's not her fault if congress shuts down the government every other week.

It hasn't always been like this. The Republicans elected a slew of Tea Party idiots in 2010 and congress has been FUBAR ever since.
Yeah all the moderates and RINOs got primaried out, leaving enough true believer nutjobs to grind everything to a halt.

But TBF - the 2001-2006 Republican congress was an orgy of corrupt pork-barrel spending while giving only lip service to any conservative causes. So the RINOs definitely helped bring it on themselves.
11-04-2016 , 01:41 PM
Sad truth is though that it's not that (some) Republicans don't think government works, it's that they want it to not work and they do what they can explicitly to sabotage it.
11-04-2016 , 01:43 PM
11-04-2016 , 01:43 PM
Too busy to follow the thread and polls. Is it safe to stop panicking?
11-04-2016 , 01:43 PM
Speaking as a lawyer and Supreme Court amateur historian and interested observer, Merrick Garland is as middle of the road as you could find without the DEMOCRATS throwing a fit about him being too centrist. He's exactly what you're saying should be nominated, Ins0, and that's why he was confirmed to the D.C. Circuit by a 76-23 vote by a Republican Senate. Note that the votes against him were because the Republicans did not agree that the seat needed to be filled at all - to my knowledge, not a single Republican Senator voiced significant concerns or doubts about his qualifications.

It may help to know that the avatar of "balls and strikes" jurisprudence, Chief Justice John Roberts, loves him and views his disagreement as a proof that the side Garland disagrees with is probably wrong.
11-04-2016 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Sad truth is though that it's not that (some) Republicans don't think government works, it's that they want it to not work and they do what they can explicitly to sabotage it.
You spelled "Obama refused to compromise and shoved his hot throbbing agenda down America's throat" wrong.
11-04-2016 , 01:45 PM
Or putting it differently, it's literally impossible to come at Merrick Garland's qualies or fairness as a Judge in good faith.
11-04-2016 , 01:45 PM
11-04-2016 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
God you are a completely clueless idiot. Scalia's rulings were consistently strictly conservative and no one with half a brain would even bother arguing this. He was an outspoken opponent of civil rights for gods sakes, at least for teh gays.

Feel free to report me because I'm going to keep ripping you if you continue to play this little ignorance game.
Comparing homosexuality to bestiality is an unpopular opinion (for now, but give Tumblr some time to fight for the right to love your pets in new and interesting ways, they'll get there) but deciding to leave those laws in the hands of the states, where they belong, is an acceptable conservative judicial opinion.

The constitution was written that way. You are entitled to be pissed off about guys like Scalia doing their job and upholding the constitution, but that doesn't mean he's an ******* or doing it wrong. Therein lies the difference between how conservatives view the role of SCOTUS, and what you think that role should be.
11-04-2016 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Yeah well that is what's wrong with the new normal in politics. Was it always this adversarial? Historians of 2p2, clue us in. President HRC isn't going to help this. She'll be too busy using the office for personal gain. Trump's competitive instincts will probably make it worse.
It's pretty weird that you're blaming some abstract idea instead of the actual individuals for their actions. There are actual Senators, that we can name, that are currently ignoring their duties. Why can't we say it's their fault?
11-04-2016 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Comparing homosexuality to bestiality is an unpopular opinion (for now, but give Tumblr some time to fight for the right to love your pets in new and interesting ways, they'll get there) but deciding to leave those laws in the hands of the states, where they belong, is an acceptable conservative judicial opinion.

The constitution was written that way. You are entitled to be pissed off about guys like Scalia doing their job and upholding the constitution, but that doesn't mean he's an ******* or doing it wrong. Therein lies the difference between how conservatives view the role of SCOTUS, and what you think that role should be.
This, right here, is you having no earthly clue what you're talking about.
11-04-2016 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by adanthar
Hillary passed up paying 10 mil less in taxes solely to make them look cleaner for her inevitable bid because she's power hungry and ruthless, so naturally the line here is "personal gain"
If you could afford it, would you pay $10M to improve your chances of becoming POTUS and gaining access to everything that goes along with the office? Don't be daft. You would.
11-04-2016 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Relax, sir.

You're right though that I'd have no problem with a Scalia 2.0. If you go look at internet articles bitching about him, it's lots of "did you hear what he said?!" and "Scalia insinuates ... " as opposed to knocking him for any actual judicial decisions.

That's the kind of person who should be on SCOTUS. Leave your personal biases at home. Let the law do the talking.
Scalia was a cancer and awful for the U.S. Have to keep judges like him away from the SCOTUS.

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Antonin Scalia, who died this month, after nearly three decades on the Supreme Court, devoted his professional life to making the United States a less fair, less tolerant, and less admirable democracy. Fortunately, he mostly failed. Belligerent with his colleagues, dismissive of his critics, nostalgic for a world where outsiders knew their place and stayed there, Scalia represents a perfect model for everything that President Obama should avoid in a successor. The great Justices of the Supreme Court have always looked forward; their words both anticipated and helped shape the nation that the United States was becoming. Chief Justice John Marshall read the new Constitution to allow for a vibrant and progressive federal government. Louis Brandeis understood the need for that government to regulate an industrializing economy. Earl Warren saw that segregation was poison in the modern world. Scalia, in contrast, looked backward.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...oking-backward
11-04-2016 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
If you could afford it, would you pay $10M to improve your chances of becoming POTUS and gaining access to everything that goes along with the office? Don't be daft. You would.
trump wouldn't. probably because he can't actually afford it lol
11-04-2016 , 01:53 PM
At this point I'd probably settle for endless SCOTUS gridlock, since Conservative justices are doing all the activism these days.
11-04-2016 , 01:53 PM
last two georgia polls published have drumpf up by 2 and drumpf up by 1

not that its especially meaningful, but just imagine the panic itt if we were talking about a solidly blue state like minnesota or something going C+2 and C+1 in the last cpl days
11-04-2016 , 01:55 PM
I mean first of all you just flippantly referred to "how conservatives view the role of SCOTUS" in a narrow way that is both functionally wrong and completely impossible - conservatives fight tooth and nail to restrict liberty in violation of the "strict interpretation" of the Constitution in the realms of personal behavior, belief, and voting, to name a few, and to broaden the interpretation of the Second Amendment to truly absurd proportions in a way that directly contradicts their own "strict interpretation" of that Amendment from as recently as the 1950s.

I mean it's a howler to consider whatever generic "conservative" understanding of SCOTUS you're ascribing to conservatives en masse as coherent, but it would be even worse to mistakenly believe that you're right about that. Even the Federalist Society often admits that the "balls and strikes" metaphor is lollllllllllllllllllll and impossible.
11-04-2016 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
The commander in chief is the commander in chief. If he orders the use of nukes (something he has actually discussed doing!) the military would have to follow his orders. Everything else in our government may have checks and balances, but that really doesn't.
true story

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Trump’s teetotaling lays that concern to rest, but his quick temper, defensiveness bordering on paranoia and disdain for anyone who criticizes him do not inspire deep confidence in his prudence. Can we trust a President Trump to remain grounded and sensible under extraordinary pressure in a crisis that appears to be crossing the nuclear Rubicon?
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...-policy-213955

      
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