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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

10-26-2016 , 08:39 AM
10-26-2016 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
It actually bothers me that this needs to be 'defended'. Personally, I think its a good dream to have. She's not saying just open everything up today - but more this is a goal the US should be working towards. And if done right, it would be hugely beneficial to hundreds of millions of people.

But a discussion like that requires more than a sentence or two to cover well - and so we just get stuck with everyone accepting that she shouldn't have said it.
Hearing that bit was one of the things that has made me like Clinton a lot more.
10-26-2016 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


Remember when Scott Adams beta bitch ass endorsed Trump because Hillary was a bulllllllly
not sure this is really bullying br0

let's go to the source and find out



Okay whew I feel better now
10-26-2016 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by phillydilly
I was curious about this. Here is the complete quote:

“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

I believe Hill's defense was she was talking about open trade and borders for energy. She does mention energy, but its hard to tell if this was the point of the open borders comment, or was added on. According to politifact, this paragraph was the only thing released, not what preceded it. If there was a comment about energy before this, I think its pretty evident it was about energy. If the discussions was not about energy already, i think it could be argued she meant actual open borders. but even with the continuation of the line about energy, i still dont think this is enough context to know for sure.
Why would they only release that paragraph if anything else in the speech was objectionable? Partial releases are bull****, they remove all context and are way too easily distorted.
10-26-2016 , 09:23 AM
Bloomberg has Trump up 2 in FL I just don't even know anymore
10-26-2016 , 09:25 AM
Furthermore, "open trade" and a "common market" are something Republicans should be for
10-26-2016 , 09:28 AM
Have been meaning to post this for ages:



10-26-2016 , 09:34 AM
I can't even watch Trump at the Al Smith dinner btw. I have to keep muting the audio when it gets replayed on stuff I watch.
10-26-2016 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I obviously don't have a crystal ball but I can make some guesses where 2016-2020 populist right-wing anger bears are headed:[snip]
This seems pretty plausible, quite similar to how early-stage capital-F Fascism was at least in part a synthesis of common left and right policies.

ETA I see this was already mentioned and addressed. Yeah, not suggesting an actual Fascist uprising etc but as you say, it's in that basic vein.
10-26-2016 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
new band name, Mediocre White People
Ya been ponied, son.
10-26-2016 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Bloomberg has Trump up 2 in FL I just don't even know anymore
This, how do we even know what to believe with the polls anymore?

Not just Florida but he is tightening the race in Pa and is up in Oh:



Yes I know it's drudge but there are links to the polls conducted in Pa and Oh.

http://www.drudgereport.com/
10-26-2016 , 09:56 AM
Lol
10-26-2016 , 09:56 AM
lol
10-26-2016 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
One hopeful thing is we can move beyond that. It's like just truly sad and disheartening to witness via the Trump campaign how many voters are motivated by simple racial animus and various inchoate cultural rage stuff. But that was never really in question. At least we can talk honestly about it and move on from there, particularly if they remain marginalized.
I think racial animus/cultural rage is important, but what I consider more important is "magical thinking" about government and public policy, particularly in a society as complex as the US. People think if they're not doing well or society isn't moving in their preferred direction (e.g., widespread adoption of their preferred faith or ideology) it's because of conspiracies or what have you (Trump's world view is exhibit A). They latch on to meaningless touchstones and convert them to symbols (emails!, bengazi!, muslims!). Fact is, governing in a complex society is hard, creating legal structures and even websites (obamacare, IRS) is hard, particularly when they are overlaid on three tiers of existing laws and rules. Point is, I think people fail to appreciate how hard it is to do things well and to "fairly" balance competing interests, and that there must be some simple explanation (politicians are corrupt!) or path (make america great again!) to general prosperity. However, other than the threat of nuclear war and global warming things have never been better (though income stagnation and general inequality are out of joint and far from any happy median). I don't want to make light of some serious issues, but it's interesting how people can always compare themselves to their neighbors or society in general and find things to complain strongly about even though their material circumstances are far above any point in human history. Hell, even prols can eat the same things that a "billionaire" like Trump enjoys (big macs and KFC).
10-26-2016 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
It actually bothers me that this needs to be 'defended'. Personally, I think its a good dream to have. She's not saying just open everything up today - but more this is a goal the US should be working towards. And if done right, it would be hugely beneficial to hundreds of millions of people.

But a discussion like that requires more than a sentence or two to cover well - and so we just get stuck with everyone accepting that she shouldn't have said it.
The issue here is not complexity or nuance, it's that a large majority of the electorate are terrible monsters who are vehemently against free movement of goods and people across borders because they are xenophobic nationalists.
10-26-2016 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Biesterfield
Furthermore, "open trade" and a "common market" are something Republicans should be for
Maybe in a vacuum, but not if Hillary's for it.
10-26-2016 , 10:09 AM
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Fact is, governing in a complex society is hard, creating legal structures and even websites (obamacare, IRS) is hard, particularly when they are overlaid on three tiers of existing laws and rules.
Especially when ~50% of the members of the legislative branch are doing everything they can to make sure that nothing works properly, so they can bash their political opponents.
10-26-2016 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
The issue here is not complexity or nuance, it's that a large majority of the electorate are terrible monsters who are vehemently against free movement of goods and people across borders because they are xenophobic nationalists.
Yeah, that's not it.

That's not to say its not a factor, but phrasing it like this is also not helpful. There's a ton of reasons that someone would/should be against open borders for people and goods. It IS a complex issue and needs to be treated as such.
10-26-2016 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Especially when ~50% of the members of the legislative branch are doing everything they can to make sure that nothing works properly, so they can bash their political opponents.
"According to a study released Thursday by Harvard Business School, the biggest threat to US competitiveness is our crippled political system and the “unrealistic and ineffective national discourse on the reality of the challenges facing the U.S. economy,” study authors reported."
....
According to thousands of Harvard alumni, MBA students and non-Harvard responders, the country’s biggest problem is a tax code that hasn’t been updated in decades, even as the world has become more globalized, digitized, and as closed-off economies have opened for business.

“Other countries have responded to these dramatic changes with significant changes to their tax systems, yet the US tax system has remained relatively ossified,” write the authors."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/ne...ard-study-says
10-26-2016 , 10:21 AM
Bill Mitchell going HARD today
10-26-2016 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Yeah, that's not it.

That's not to say its not a factor, but phrasing it like this is also not helpful. There's a ton of reasons that someone would/should be against open borders for people and goods. It IS a complex issue and needs to be treated as such.
There are many valid reasons to be concerned with how a regime of open or mostly open borders for goods and (especially especially) people would be implemented, but in real life most people oppose any implementation of open borders because they fundamentally dislike and mistrust foreigners. That's not a polite thing to say, so you'll hear rationalizations, but you're kidding yourself if you thing those are the actual reasons.

I agree that's not especially helpful to anyone, but it at least has the benefit of being true.
10-26-2016 , 10:25 AM
Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 42m42 minutes ago

I'm on Team Actually Megyn Kelly Is Bad.


/signed. (She's best of breed, but it's a bad breed.)
10-26-2016 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
There are many valid reasons to be concerned with how a regime of open or mostly open borders for goods and (especially especially) people would be implemented, but in real life most people oppose any implementation of open borders because they fundamentally dislike and mistrust foreigners. That's not a polite thing to say, so you'll hear rationalizations, but you're kidding yourself if you thing those are the actual reasons.

I agree that's not especially helpful to anyone, but it at least has the benefit of being true.
Like, remember that time the EU voluntarily relinquished its considerable influence over Turkey's government by vetoing their EU accession bid and then Turkey slid into an Islamist quasi-dictatorship? That's a tough one to explain without understanding that people fundamentally hate foreigners, especially if they look different.
10-26-2016 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 42m42 minutes ago

I'm on Team Actually Megyn Kelly Is Bad.


/signed. (She's best of breed, but it's a bad breed.)
shes the nicest pit bull.

      
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