Are you ****ing kidding me?

Dispassionate, Even keeled, and WHOLLY ******ED.

So what is your point? Just because someone says incredibly dumb things in a monotone calm voice does not make them any less idiotic.

You are just being silly and YOU are the one who is diverting the conversation with your silly assertion that people should calm down because the village idiot is acting calm, in your opinion. Stop trying to derail the discussion with Culs idiotic defense of nobody can discuss the issue because they are too emotional. It is dumb when he says it, and it seems even more dumb when you say it.

yes, I get the sense that he's just trolling.

I don't think he has posted since whomever posted what they thought to be his account, ohiou or whatever.

Ah, thank goodness. And thank you.

I'm not sure, but it seems like you're missing what he's asking.

He's asking if would someone make up a rape accusation to get out of an underage drinking violation.

Ladies, ladies: to the Brian Banks thread tout suite.

I think you diminish both yourself and your argument when you let the braying of a donkey undermine your composure.

For example, I'm much less inclined to give any merit to anything you've had to say in this thread. I haven't read more than a few posts of yours, yet my bias is to look with suspicion at anything you have to say because you seem volatile.

I'm not defending culs as much as I am trying to say that the tone of this thread was heading into witch hunt territory. There's a way to have a reasonable discussion about victim blaming and how rapists can use a victim's sexual history to justify or rationalize an otherwise inhuman act. Culs wasn't eloquent enough to bring this up without bumbling into every male chauvinist stereotype. He made everyone pick up their pitchforks, and all I'm saying is put down the ****ing pitchforks and let's have a reasonable discussion. He's already demonstrated that he's irrelevant to this topic.

When someone says offensive things, people get offended. It's a human response.

I'm sure there is a person or two that would, and those people are also worthy of our derision. Accusing someone of a heinous crime should result in the same penalty as the crime they accused the person of, IMO.

In the case of someone willfully accusing someone of something they know that person did not do, of course. I'm not talking about mistaken identity or he said/she said type cases.

I dunno, it just sounded like your reasoning was that her actions prior to the rape are completely irrelevant to the fact that she was raped, which I agree with.

And also that her being raped is a relevant, dismissing factor to the fact that she was engaged in other illegal behavior prior to the rape.

This one I'm not so sure I agree with in a vacuum.

I'm not sure though that the cops are dismissing the underage drinking since she was raped. No one involved from that night has been charged with underage drinking - including the rapists. While underage drinking is a crime, most cops/DAs let it slide as its a pretty minor violation and not really worth their time. When cops break up an underage party, most of the time they don't arrest everyone, they just tell you to go home.

Yes, there might be some situation where you wouldn't let the lesser violation slide, but in most instances, you want to encourage all victims to come forward, including those that had been committing a crime prior to being victimized.

Yeah, I agree that people look the other way on the underage drinking stuff since it is viewed as relatively minor. Though, in this particular situation, with all of the scrutiny that the town is under and with the allegations of debauchery and special privilege for the football team, I'm surprised that people are cool with sweeping that stuff under the rug.

Maybe that's because everyone here was an underage drinker and had it swept under the rug without major criminal indictments.

In Tampa in 2007 during Gaspiriila (our Mardi Gras type parade) a college student is raped. She goes to a rape crisis clinic, then to police to report crime. Tampa PD determines she has a warrant out for a juvenile case where she failed to pay a $4k restitution back in 2003.

So 8 hours after being raped, she is arrested and put in jail. The doctor at the clinic gave her emergency contraception, and told her to take the second pill in 12 hours. TPD confiscates the pill, and the jailer on duty refuses to let her take it because she thinks it's a sin.

She stays in jail all weekend then gets bail. She claims she paid the restitution years ago, and they suspect the warrant was just a clerical error. When this hits the news, TPD issues a statement saying they MAY need to review their policy about arresting rape victims.

Woman tried to sue, and appeals court ruled that she could.

Talk about a nightmare.

Did she end up pregnant with a deformed child as well?

i was talking to a friend from ohio about this case earlier and he brought up that women who have been raped once are seven times more likely to be raped again. dont worry, i chastised him for the victim blaming. the statistic apparently does exist, and is from some 1999 study which i cant be bothered to read, has anyone else seen this? i would imagine it didnt control for something like people who were raped more than once by a relative while still a child right (he was trying to apply it in situations like the current one)? it almost has to be flawed.

No it is true, women who are victimized are more likely to be victims again. Rapist are predators and they sense the weakness and focus on them.

That being said that is not relevant. That some women make easier targets is the whole thing some of us are talking about. It does not matter if the are the easiest of targets, raping them is off the table and the seriousness of the act should not be mitigated in any way shape or form.

Well I did actually get a minor in possession charge and have to do deferred adjutication. Of course I was not drinking at all that night, I had been sick with mono for two weeks and ended up taking a very good friend to her prom, but I could not drink, nor did I feel like it, but since a bunch of people threw a party in our hotel room, we got busted.

That being said they did not arrrest anyone. Underage drinking is a misdemeanor/ticket offense in most jurisdictions, as far as I know.

Going to be honest, I do not care if you read what I say. You side with a dummy and you yourself say really dumb things. What makes you think I care if you read what I say. I doubt you understand half of it anyways.

It is only important that the other people reading the thread know you are a trolling dummy. You already know you are a trolling dummy.

You need to be more clear about correlation vs. causation. I don't think there's anything that causes the first rape to open the door for subsequent rapes to occur. I don't think it makes a woman weaker and more susceptible.

Way to be concise and non-repetitive there buddy. And stop double spacing after periods.

have you read the study/feel like explaining it to me? this kid is obv an idiot but reading the actual study was like a 35 dollar signup fee so id be lying if i said i cared enough to pay it. 7x as likely is a lot, so like i said im assuming there must be some sort of superbad procedural flaw?

it would be nice if you could at least link to the abstract.

sorry shouldve done that intially.

In a 1999 longitudinal study of 3,000 women, researchers found women who had been victimized before were seven times more likely to be raped again. (Acierno, Resnick, Kilpatrick, Saunders and Best, Jnl. of Anxiety Disorders 13, 6.)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...87618599000304

That's interesting to read. But I wasn't able to find the article in any of my school's databases.