And I wouldn't say that it doesn't. I just think it's a complete fallacy to treat all this like it's some new thing we cannot comprehend. It's much harder to ignore, now that the proof lingers, and the bullying can be tracked, but the way some people write about it, like, "OH MY GOD kids now are ****ing demons!" just because their awfulness is more easily exposed than it used to be, is the wrong way to look at the problem.

Now THAT would be newsworthy.

Only if their peers posted pictures of it online.

Only if there were pictures.

Highly unlikely Demons would post pics though.

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Weren't you one of the people who fought hard to save the alan dyer rape thread?

Humans would obviously. After all, it's the humans ****ing the demons not the other way around.

Damn, hadn't heard about this before today. Just googled for Steubenville Ohio and the relevant links were at the top of the search results, must make the citizens really proud.

Perhaps it would be good to put these simple rape-prevention tips on the wall of the football teams locker room:

( http://canyourelate.org/2011/05/24/r...evention-tips/ )

More victim-blaming bull****. It's beyond out of hand, most vocal people don't even realize they are reinforcing it, toting the ludicrously ignorant "she's asking/asked for it" attitude.

One of them will be registering as a sex offender for the next 20 years:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

Cue the sob-story opinion piece about how this kids promising future is ruined, complete with thinly veiled references to how it 'seemed like any other night.'

So who are you?

Aren't those sentences very lenient?

I know they're minimums but I would expect more.

They were tried as juveniles, so the sentences were much shorter.

Serena Williams take on it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/tennis...212112851.html

"We watch the news for a while, and the infamous Steubenville rape case flashes on the TV—two high school football players raped a 16-year-old, while other students watched and texted details of the crime. Serena just shakes her head. "Do you think it was fair, what they got? They did something stupid, but I don't know. I'm not blaming the girl, but if you're a 16-year-old and you're drunk like that, your parents should teach you—don't take drinks from other people. She's 16, why was she that drunk where she doesn't remember? It could have been much worse. She's lucky. Obviously I don't know, maybe she wasn't a virgin, but she shouldn't have put herself in that position, unless they slipped her something, then that's different."

unreal

Just to be clear, I've snipped some of the quote to make it clear what she (not the interviewer) seemed to say.

Ugh: unreal.

Those poor, poor boys had their lives ruined because that girl let herself get so drunk.

It's ok to criticize a 16 year old girl for binge drinking. You can do that and still reserve a special place in hell for rapists. Everything isn't black and white.

Sure, but the Serena quote started with "Do you think it was fair, what they got? They did something stupid, but I don't know. I'm not blaming the girl, but"
This is not just criticizing underage drinking, it's blaming the victim instead of the rapists.

It gets me when athletes give an honest answer than roasted about it. Its why agents tell athletes never comment on anything.

This is a case of bad decisions made all around. Ultimately the boys are responsible for their criminal actions but her point about 16 year old girl getting drunk is that she put herself in a dangerous position.

I am shocked the boys were not tried as adults

Again, read the first two sentences. It would have been very easy for her to condemn the rapists and still talk about how it's important for women to be careful in what are unfortunately dangerous situations. Instead, she questions the fairness of their punishment then supports it with several sentences on the victims actions.

People who say offensive or ignorant things deserve pushback. Hopefully Serena evaluates her thought process and grows from the experience, a la Tim Hardaway.

Why should we expect serana williams to have an intelligent opinion on anything? Because she hits a tennis ball? The worst part about her quote is that anyone even pays it any attention.

All,

I thought this article was pretty interesting/good: http://m.newyorker.com/reporting/201...urrentPage=all

reports are that "interim" indictments will be issued next week following the 5th month of this grand jury investigation into the "cover up."

Will be interesting to see what follows...and what the nature of the charges will be