She was sleeping in bed. It was date rape. She continued to date him for awhile after. She should have reported it immediately or I wish she would have. Other that she couldn't have prevented it. And I don't think the Steubenville victim could have prevented it and I never said that she could.

You're twisting my words and you know it.

Skunkworks -- what people are picking up on is that while on the one hand, common sense is common sense, the ones who insist on driving the conversation toward examining her mistakes, behaviour, etc tend to frame it as don't be a dirty drunken cum dumpster.

I didn't even mention your words. There were no words to twist. I asked you a question.

I mean, couldn't she have not slept in the same bed with the guy? Why did she keep dating him? Why didn't she report it immediately? How was it date rape if she was dating the guy?

Culs: Rape Shield law: What is it and when is it used?

Rape shield laws exclude a rape victims prior sexual history from the evidence that is presented in the trial. There are few exceptions to it.

Seemed like a loaded question Giz. Maybe I made the same mistake of assuming something about your post's intent. Many people have done that to mine throughout this theead

Yes, you answered the rape crew question with, "that was another kid who called them that on facebook, not a nickname they gave themselves so it doesn't count" after being asked specifically 3 or 4 times. I got that. Here you're offering up the town's "she's a whore" diagnosis (really speaks badly of a town,btw, to talk **** about a teenage rape victim. Also of you for passing it along.) unsolicitted. It's a bit unbalanced.

Tomatoe, tomatoe; You think other kids didn't help an unconscious teen getting sexually assaulted because she's the town skank, I think those other kids have something wrong with them--and I feel reinforced in that opinion by their laughing and tweeting about it later (and living in a community that's actively slut-shaming the victim here). You hear, "girl drank an entire bottle of vodka by herself" and I hear, "girl and her friends drank a bottle of vodka". Tomatoe, tomatoe; Let's call the whole thing off!

Culs, how many lawyers have you met who told you their Bar percentile? I'll admit I've never heard a lawyer cite that figure.

But, again, what about your sources the lawyers on both sides of the case who were telling you these details? Is that still a thing? I got the impression they were pretty dirty things about this girl, the victim who you are not trying to blame in any way.

The local lawyers I know have never mentioned the behavior of the accused. Most of what I know, I've seen in her twitter and Instagram accounts that were posted online by the bloggers who blogged about the case

Uh huh.


Except when you specifically said that her defense lawyer told you information. Uh huh.

I mentioned the bar percentile to give some food for the posters bashing me. I agree that the kids who didn't stop it are as culpable as the rapists. The AG gave them immunity because without them there wasn't much direct evidence of the rape. I think I would have charged them with complicity, but I see that I would have had to make a deal to convict the principle offenders

And the prosecutor. Both good friends of his.

I have talked about the case with him. Her prior sexual history was not something we discussed

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uh huh.

I thought you would have learned how to lie better after your last fiasco, but here's some advice... remember the stuff you say before you directly contradict it.

Culs, what about the bottle of vodka? Do you still think she downed it all by herself? If not, how'd you get that wrong?

Exactly.

The only thing people should be looking at here is how a fairly large group of young men perpetrated the rape and sexual humiliation of a young women and, not only did they not feel bad about it, they actually laughed about it and were even proud of it.

Everyone already knows that getting extremely drunk at any age is dangerous. No one needs to read about a case like this to understand that. If you are attempting to deflect the discussion from the real issue, the behavior of the boys, you are missing the point.

When it comes to rape, the issue is almost entirely an issue that men need to confront. Those who are focusing on the behavior of the girl in this case are feeding into the culture that led to this rape.

In a nutshell, rape is a male issue. Basically the entire focus should be on why men rape and how to limit that behavior. The responsibility of women in this equation is so miniscule as to be irrelevant.

To put it in terms culs can understand, even a drug dealing prostitute with a penchant for gang bangs in her free time is a footnote compared to the real issue which is the behavior of the men who rape.

These are your words. Giz is asking you to reconcile the two sentiments.

He has a near photographic memory Gizmo. Of course he remember the stuff he says.

Convicted rapist Malik Richmond will be on abc tonight at 10 est.

Maybe I read a wrong report about her drinking. The trial testimony transcript isn't available yet and her testimony wasn't videoed or Audio recorded for obvious reasons

They don't need reconciled because I don't believe that the Steubenville victim could have prevented her assault.

I did take a guess that her behavior may have been part of the reason the witnesses did not prevent it and protect her.

Upon a brief review of the Gizmo thread with the picture of her I see absolutely no evidence of any of the things culs mentioned. She has 0 deleted posts within the thread, the thread itself has almost no deleted posts in it, the few that exist have notes which don't indicate any sort of the things he mentioned, and I see no evidence of any of the things he mentioned in the posts by other posters.

So I'm going to just assume he's thinking of someone else. Or full of ****. Don't really care either way.

Unlike some posters in this thread, I don't think I'm infallible