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I don't think he would be in the third one (assuming Nolan of course) simply for the fact that he probably wouldn't fit the theme. (At least not in a role any bigger than Scarecrow had in TDK). Nolan has really used the villian's to set the theme of the movie. Scarecrow was perfect for BB because his main "power" was using fear and mind tricks against people. The main theme of BB was Bruce Wayne overcoming his fears. Also, Raz's main belief seemed to be that people are generally bad and needed to hit rock bottom to bounce back. Bruce (through Rachael) started to believe that people were generally good and needed hope to overcome tough times.

Without typing out a 10 pages, much of TDK centered around the similarities and differences between Bruce and Harvey. In the beginning Bruce envied Harvey and wanted to be like him. Throughout the movie he realized that he could never be the "White Knight" and would always have to be the "Dark Knight." Obviously the Joker and Batman are the polar opposites and one of the biggest rivals in the history of super-heroes.

I think if/when they do a third movie I think Nolan will choose a new villian and a new theme. I don't know much about Batman villians, so I can't really offer a guess who he will choose.

I've read through probably 70% of this thread and haven't seen this asked yet, so whatever. Is there something behind the fact that Joker gives two different accounts of how his face got cut and was presumably about to give a third? Or is it just random.

Awesome movie, bla bla etc.

Also,



too cartoony for 3? one of my favorites from the cartoon

My best guess is that it just shows how crazy the Joker is and also to add to the mystery of the character. People in this thread have mentioned how they would love a "Joker Begins" movie. I think having the Joker's origins be unknown makes him somewhat scarier and more intriguing. If he had a backstory about having a messed up childhood people might sympathize with him more. Having him just be some nutcase with no past makes him more evil IMO.
I also think he likes making up crazy stories to scare the s*** out of whoever he is telling them to.

Hear hear, the Joker should remain a mystery, imo...and I would guess based on the death of Ledger, that is the way things will remain. People talking about "So who's gonna play Joker in the next movie!!???" make my head hurt.

As philfan05 said, if made by Nolan, a new movie will have a new theme and a new villain. It doesn't seem very likely that a new movie would center around Dent/Two-Face and there is noooo way they are gonna follow up this movie by recasting the fricken Joker role after Ledger just owned the **** out of it. That would be like if Hopkins didn't play Lecter in Hannibal. It would be such an enormous letdown.

Ledger stole the show.

Now for a little nitpicking:

"Two Face Harvey Dent" flips a coin to determine if
you live or die: Stolen from "No Country For Old Men."
[Jesus christ i got tired of seeing that F***ing coin!!!]

Batman lassos the truck with wire and anchers it so it
stops cold & flips straight up in the air before
falling: Stolen from: "Terminator III"

Batman's ability to see with a sort of sonar: "Daredevil"
(i know the circumstances were different, but the
shaky white outline of the room & people...identical.

Also, Batman's voice is too low and garbled: funny
how Batman uses that same inaudible voice while down in
the Bat Cave with Morgan Feeman even though batman is
perfectly well aware that Freeman knows he's
Bruce Wayne (come on, you KNOW it's never been
suggested that there is some device built into the
neck of 'The Batman Suit' to alter his voice. Sorry,
nope, never happened, but nice try just the same, Lol.)

Too much time spent with commissioner Gordon & his family, I
could care less about him or his forgettable family. EDIT THAT OUT!!

I think they needed a more imaginative choreographer for
the fight scenes. I was bored much of the time watching
batman fist fight.

Lastly, they had a real opportunity to have few BIG Laughs
with those Batman wannabees. They blew it IMO. Not one
big belly laugh in this flick. [No, not the cheap comic book laughs. I hate that.]

I hope they don't try to revive the Joker with someone imitating Ledger in any future Batman movie. Wouldn't be surprised if they tried (in the name of profits).

yeah, because two face flipping a coin isn't 50 years old and also wasn't in batman forever.
thank god they didn't put in some ******ed jokes or one liners,tilts me so bad.

Harvey dent will be in the next one, no doubt about it. Yes there was a funeral but that was for the sake of the people because batman/gordon wanted them to think he died and didnt kill those people.

As for joker yeah he will eventually be played by someone else but it doesnt really matter (except for the fact that no one can top ledgers performance). Joker in the comics always comes back and sometimes with a slightly different look/personality trait, thats part of being bat**** (cwutididthere) insane.

Batman is at his best against joker (and viceversa) and its no suprise that the last batman movie franchise went to crap once they started focusing on lesser villains (and doing it badly)

Agree.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this but all this Batman stuff and these characters have been around quite a while longer than No Country For Old Men!

****, apparently I never saw Terminator III. Can anyone else confirm this?

I guess it ends up LOOKING vaguely similar but who cares?

The Batman voice was one of my only gripes after my first viewing. Upon second viewing I realized the voice is absolutely fine until the very end. I do wish he would drop the voice-disguise for that one scene with Morgan Freeman but I guess we can chalk it up to Wayne trying to "stay in character" whenever he's in the Batsuit?

I don't remember there being a lot of time spent on his family, save the ending with Dent putting guns to their heads. You should probably care about Gordon though, he's pretty important in both movies. Plus it's Gary ****ing Oldman.

Yeah, a lot of people complain about the action. I understand why but for some reason it never bothered me in BB or TDK.

Man, the Joker never got you to laugh? There was definitely **** that I laughed at in this movie, but regardless I think TDK was going for a pretty serious, dramatic tone so "BIG laughs" weren't really in order, imo.

Speaking of laughs though, did anyone else laugh when Maggie tells Michael Caine "it's not sealed."

Totally agree.

Really? I was thinking it was a rip-off of Empire Strikes Back.

And the scene where the goofball mobster guy claims to be the brains of the mob? Total rip-off of Godfather 2.

And the fact that they used a giant spotlight to summon Batman? Dude, that **** was in this Michael Keaton movie I saw this one time.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but the script for "The Dark Knight" was written by the nolan brothers "after" the script for "No Country for Old Men" was written. I've watched the old Batman serials from the early 1940's, have you? You can rent them from Eddie Brandt's in north hollywood.


That's why it's called nitpicking man!! Lol

Are you saying you are a Batman aficionado and Two-Face being Two-Face made you think "they totally copied this whole coin thing from NCFOM?"


Yeah, I almost had deleted my response to the sonar gripe before posting, but left it in since I was responding to everything else you mentioned. Sorry for nitpicking your nitpicking. I've been drinking...

Wait, is this a serious position you're staking out? You do know that, despite also starring Tommy Lee Jones, Batman Forever was not a prequel to No Country for Old Men, correct?

The coin flip is a rip-off, but of Scarface (the 1932 version).

I liked the part when Two-Face told Gordon to "Call it, friendo."

No expert, i was just reminded of the movie that had recently come out, and it was still burned in my brain when that killer had the general-store owner flip the coin. It very well could have been conceived long before NCFOM was written.

No problem, and I don't mean to be a, well, douche, but I remember a friend of mine being pissed about NCFOM because they ripped off Two-Face. He didn't seem interested to know that Two-Face was a rip-off too.

People don't like to talk to me much.

Yes, yes it was. Like 60+ years before NCFOM.

just saw batman begins and it was not good imo

Me and Yeti were the only ones I can remember who thought it sucked. I thought it was very bad, but everyone seems to love it. I don't get it.

Hmm. What all's wrong with it iyo?

how did the car crash kill Maroni but Dent was fine?

I can't even remember, I haven't seen it in a long time. I remember hating the dialog a lot and I didn't really like the villains. I hated how they'd recycle lines of dialog to get their point across. I could probably take it once, but they did it like 5 different times and the recycled quotes were like 3 lines long each.

I remembered a lot of scenes being super forced when trying to tell us something. Like Batman stalking out the guy with the uzi in that factory and the dude is trembling and unloading his clip every time he hears a noise. It was just really stupid.

I'd have to watch it again to tell you why I didn't like it in better detail, but that's not going to happen.

wtf that scene is so awesome

no

He puts his seatbelt on before he shoots.