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Quick math question

In a HU pot IP on the river, we have 75% equity vs villains entire range. So if we check back we win .75xpot.

Lets say he will call our bet 40% ( SPR is 1 / we make a pot sized bet/ all-in to keep it simple) . Villain always calls the top of his range (the 25% that beats us) so when we bet and get called we lose 25/40 and win 15/40.

How do I isolate to find the min amount of equity (when called) to make a river bet > then checking back?
Thanks

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06-23-2012 , 10:47 PM

#8852

BackFromABannin

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,939

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Originally Posted by King Spew

Go to the 2009 early threads and read the CBetting, cold calling, (adv cold calling is my contribution). Board reading.....

Really most of the early CoTW threads are all PF/Flop.

And get this point kinda straight...they are not two distinct strategies...they should blend together.. As an example, when deciding when to call an EP raise preflop, look at villain stats to determine if setmining will be profitable. Some villains raise EP and c/f the flop if their AK misses. ((If so, you can call ATC and bluff a non-A, K flop..........see how preflop should semi-direct post flop options? ))

I'll give these a read ty

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06-23-2012 , 11:56 PM

#8853

darkprince

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Originally Posted by King Spew

Maybe you are confusing bb/hr with bb/100. The bb/100 hands is the gold standard here on 2+2 when talking about a players winrate. This is also sometimes notated as ptbb/100 because a long time ago in a land before time, the game was LIMIT poker and you analyzed results as a factor of Big Bets (or 2x the big blind), Pokertracker when it first came out used a factor of big blinds because it made more sense to NL players.

If you are talking bb/hour.....and maybe you get 30 hands per hour....then (7)(.3)= 2.1bb/100 is a low winrate for sure in a live casino environment. But online, that could be pretty good........ 5 tabling at that rate is $21/hr..... 10 tabling = $42/hr

And whether you like it or not, winning anything is better than losing

So when referring to bb/100 hands, bb=2x the big blind? Is there a universal # of what is good, 7? Or it depends?

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06-24-2012 , 02:15 AM

#8854

chode

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 271

I am looking for a thread discussing the strategic differences between zoom and regular 6-max/fr. Can't find one. Where to look?

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06-24-2012 , 04:01 AM

#8855

King Spew

Just average

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Originally Posted by darkprince

Is there a universal # of what is good?

If more than half the players are losing money...that would make make 1bb/100 good. Or is your definition of good different than mine?

chode, read the BQ Zoom thread. Bound to be differences discussed.

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06-24-2012 , 07:48 AM

#8856

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 74,862

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Originally Posted by chode

I am looking for a thread discussing the strategic differences between zoom and regular 6-max/fr. Can't find one. Where to look?

there's not enough of a difference in the games to make it worthwhile

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06-24-2012 , 11:54 AM

#8857

omnimirage the II

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Originally Posted by Bram90

Simple, if when he calls our bet we have >50% equity, betting will be superior to checking.

Saying he will call with x part of his range doesn't really help much, since 1% != 1%; there's a greater equity difference in the range of 0%-5%, as there is in the 20%-25%

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06-24-2012 , 12:02 PM

#8858

darkprince

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Originally Posted by King Spew

If more than half the players are losing money...that would make make 1bb/100 good. Or is your definition of good different than mine?

I see your pt. I'm just curious out of winning players, what would be a good #?

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06-24-2012 , 12:56 PM

#8859

King Spew

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depends on stake and ability, dp.

Honestly, I just started to play again and was staked for 4NL (after a few FTP years at 100-1000NL). I ran at double digit/bb.

Moved to 10NL where I still held the double digit winrate.

With 25NL....well, my winrate is modest over my first 25K hands. If I stay at 25NL for the next six months at (let's say) 3bb/100, is that a good rate?

(((Look another way....at 1000NL, my winrate was 1.3bb/100 over 60K. How much money did I make? Was that good? .......you see, it is all relative to some unknown baseline other than you thinking that just winning alone is not good enough)))

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06-24-2012 , 05:10 PM

#8860

JohnTopham

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 9

I've been playing party a few times and lost a couple buy ins of 25 bucks each. Im playing like 1c/2c and 2c/4c and 1 dollar sngs and Im wondering if im missing out on some sort of bonuses? I didnt sign up for any bonuses or anything last time.

Thanks

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06-24-2012 , 05:16 PM

#8861

jspill

Carpal \'Tunnel

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you should've received a deposit bonus when you first deposited money onto the site. it's automatic

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06-24-2012 , 05:43 PM

#8862

darkprince

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Thx, KS.

Btw, is that Devilfish as your av?

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06-24-2012 , 05:45 PM

#8863

JohnTopham

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 9

Ok, ill see if that works and do you know off hand how many hands I must play to withdraw that bonus? Also quick question, do you think I should be playing 1 dollar sng, 6max or 9 max? I know it depends on me but i honestly don't know , what did you start off with

thanks

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06-24-2012 , 05:54 PM

#8864

jspill

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^ well for every dollar of bonus you need 8 points if i recall. and 1 point = $0.50 of rake or tournament fees. easy math for the SNGs since the fee per game is fixed, but to work out no. of hands at cash tables it depends on your style of play. play for a bit then see how many points you earn.

9 handed SNGs are probably easier to start off with, same with cash tables. 6max is more aggressive, you have to bluff more, ranges are wider, etc. etc. but personally i'd play both cos party traffic for SNGs is so low, if you only played 1 type you'd find it hard to put in volume

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06-24-2012 , 06:15 PM

#8865

King Spew

Just average

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dp... Peter Fonda.

But..............as a point of reference....when my wife first saw that picture, she said "When was that taken, I don't recognize that picture of you?"

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06-24-2012 , 06:24 PM

#8866

darkprince

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Originally Posted by King Spew

dp... Peter Fonda.

But..............as a point of reference....when my wife first saw that picture, she said "When was that taken, I don't recognize that picture of you?"

So you look like Peter and Devilfish lol.

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06-24-2012 , 07:33 PM

#8867

King Spew

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Fonda looks like me. Devilfish isn't nearly as handsome.

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06-25-2012 , 07:04 AM

#8868

gothninja

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Originally Posted by King Spew

Fonda looks like me. Devilfish isn't nearly as handsome.

He's clearly borrowed devilfish's wig though, hence the confusion.

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06-25-2012 , 02:47 PM

#8869

A4oIsGood

newbie

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What's a reasonable BB/100 at 6max micros? Disregarding 2 and 5nl.

Intuition tells me it should be as high or higher than FR (where 6-8bbs is considered crushing?), since fewer players means more opportunities to exploit fish and bad regs.

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06-25-2012 , 03:01 PM

#8870

Cry Me A River

Orange is the new Green

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Originally Posted by A4oIsGood

Scroll up about ten posts.

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06-25-2012 , 03:36 PM

#8871

A4oIsGood

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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River

Scroll up about ten posts.

Did you mean this?

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Originally Posted by King Spew

depends on stake and ability, dp.

Or the other bits? (double-digit win-rate @10nl)

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06-25-2012 , 03:45 PM

#8872

King Spew

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anything above zero is good (reasonable) imo.

and yeah, at 10NL, I am going to have a higher winrate than I do at 100NL. So what does that tell you about winrates?

But to answer your question...my take on 6M is that you will get more hands per hour....thus the better players will make more money per hour. Does it translate into bb/100? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not much of an expert about this as I haven't played very much 6M since 2008.

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06-25-2012 , 03:52 PM

#8873

nismo9

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Do players stack off lighter at 6max?

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06-25-2012 , 03:53 PM

#8874

King Spew

Just average

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I think with the aggression level at 6M being twofold/trifold more....yeah, my guess is stackoff range is lighter.

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06-25-2012 , 04:22 PM

#8875

A4oIsGood

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 41

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Originally Posted by King Spew

anything above zero is good (reasonable) imo.

and yeah, at 10NL, I am going to have a higher winrate than I do at 100NL. So what does that tell you about winrates?

Doesn't tell me anything, because all winrates in bb/100 are useless unless you have a gigantic sample

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Originally Posted by King Spew

But to answer your question...my take on 6M is that you will get more hands per hour....thus the better players will make more money per hour. Does it translate into bb/100? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not much of an expert about this as I haven't played very much 6M since 2008.

Fair enough, plus I can imagine because the variance is higher a true-ish winrate is harder to estimate at 6max than FR.

I simply wanted a range to make a reasonable estimate on how fast I can climb stakes without having to deposit more dorrars assuming I play like, 25 hours per week.
Should I even be doing something like that? I'm guessing that it's better to make goals in terms of #hands/week...

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