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Is deucescracked.com +ev for micro stakes players?

I guess it depends on your skill level and the video series you watch. I just watched the red line series and it broadened my mind. Maybe from 10-25nl+ i would say. However there is a trial week for free, so that you can find out yourself

Cheers!
Sipox

Thanks! I ll try it ... Someone got a good series for micros?

I couldnt say... I am spanish and the good ones for micros I know are in spanish. But I am sure you will find sth good in 2scracked.

I have returned for a further question to ask the council of the wise.

I played 6max nl with 22/22
then I switched to full ring nl with 5/7

I looked at my graph and in both cases the red line (non showdown) was positive - even know I was playing two different games and styles. I know that the red line should be negative, so my question is - what does this red line tell me about my game, am I doing something wrong here?

when I say positive I mean very slightly.

I have pretty horrific winrates (lossrates) in the "facing bet on flop/turn/river" filter. How can i fix this as it's obviously something I'm going to be facing a lot. I know I sometimes take hands too far and spewcall river bets which I obviously shouldn't do, anything else?

It should not be negative. It should not be positive either, nor even. It just depends (or should depend) on your opponents style of play. If everybody at your table played only AA then your strategy should be open raising 100% of hands and folding everytime he plays back. Then your red line will be very positive, and the blue line would be even. If for example everybody 3bets all-in preflop everytime you open raise with 100% range, then your strategy should be to open-raise/call only premium hands, and therefore your red line would be zero and your blue one very positive.

The only important one at the end of the day is the green one (and the EV). You just have to worry if the red/blue line is way too negative.

Remember there is not just one way to play this game, texas hold'em hasn't been solved yet

Cheers!
Sipox

Its normal that you lose/win less in this spot since you are facing agression, you should filter these hands and analyze them one by one to see if you are folding too much. Maybe you are betting always for value and everytime you check you have air. Consider check/raising very strong hands and semibluffs against aggressive villains in good boards for example.

thanks

No problem

Yeah, there's grinderschool. I hear they've got a decent bit of microstakes videos.

Thanks I was just concerned because I've seen graphs where as the green line increases the red line decreases in proportion.

I have one very big question... well, two really. I'd really like a good answer because I feel like quitting poker already with the experiences I'm having.

Is there a way I can measure my skill?

I watched lots of low limit DC videos before playing for real money, I thought I understood all the major concepts of poker so I started playing .01/.02 intending to clean up and I feel betrayed because the advice didn't seem to work at all. For example I stuck to the button religiously opening 52% compared with 6% under the gun, I knew what flop textures to bet etc. I trusted in the concepts I learned even as I was relentlessly bleeding money.

my final results as of today show negative $20 with my biggest losses by far being from the button. I can't seem take down whales with 90/0. Now I'm aware of variance but having just started and being down 10 buy ins so quickly does make me think. (although HM did show they were often calling down with nothing and hitting on the river time and time again)

So I learned about poker snowie and decided to play 6max with him, I actually thrashed those bots starting with $100 and reaching $450+ but I did then fall down a little.

It's funny, I really really wanted to win online (just end one day in green!) and loose to snowie (to give me confidence that I can learn from him) but I don't know, maybe I've just been really really unlucky in everything poker so far.

anyway he still evaluated me as an intermediate with lots of errors. can I learn from snowie?

can snowy be used as a measure of skill?

I'm not assuming he's GTO, don't get mad I'm not. I don't want to talk about that. I just need him to be competent that's all. As long as he is competent enough to beat low stakes then that would be acceptable criteria as I could then still use him as a form of measurement.

As you can see I feel a bit lost and looking for some form of measurement to use to improve and feel more confident in the face of variance.

Hi all, I'm new.

This was the tourney thing for Isildur heads up 50k chance. For this hand, would you have called with JJ? Bear in mind there had been a lot of shoving and I figured the big stack could have a range of hands. Ignoring the QQ, I'm the favourite heads up but would you have just folded if you're deep in a tournament? Lastly do you use software that can advise on this in game? I use HM2 but it doesn't give pot odds for Full Tilt. Thanks.

Full Tilt, (3,000/6,000 blinds, 750 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: 57,974 (9.7 bb)
BTN: 55,060 (9.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 98,416 (16.4 bb)
BB: 94,221 (15.7 bb)
MP1: 36,028 (6 bb)
MP2: 143,866 (24 bb)
MP3: 147,301 (24.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
MP1 raises to 35,278 and is all-in, MP2 raises to 143,116 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero calls 94,666 and is all-in, BB folds

Flop: (241,860) K 4 6 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: (241,860) Q (3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (241,860) 4 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results: 241,860 pot
Final Board: K 4 6 Q 4
Hero showed J J and lost (-98,416 net)
MP1 showed Q Q and won 117,084 (81,056 net)
MP2 showed K A and won 124,776 (26,360 net)

when someone says you need to defend your blind so so % of the time,
does defend mean raising or calling

or just raising?

- There are no better ways to measure your skill than your winrate over a big sample (100k hand minimum for 6max)
I don't know about these DC videos, but you should post here these hands where you "felt betrayed". It's quite likely there are things you are doing wrong

- I really don't know much about pokersnowie but I think it could barely beat nl2 as it doesn't even understand any exploitative strategy (would get eaten by the rake). And they don't seem to have any proof to back up the supposed strength of their program.
BTW I just downloaded the trial to see what it looks like and it put me at advanced/expert level while I'm clearly a fish, so I wouldn't count on its skill measurement capacities. The blunder analysis is also utter crap as it will recommend folding two overcards to a fishy flop minbet, folding AQ to a 10bb pf shove, folding a fullhouse to a fish's raise, etc.
You have to understand that pokersnowie aims at developing a near GTO approach based on massive sample size. The idea is honourable and interesting but completely useless for improving or assessing your game. It's also filled with misleading or false marketing statement which make it fall in the scam software category.

You have JJ and 16.4bb, you have to go all-in no matter what happens before you.

Both count as blind defense.

yes snowie does make strange recommendations, apparently I was supposed to check an over pair of QQ on the turn with low un-connected community cards. I thought this was a simple case of value betting and I don't want to give them a free A or K. But I just assumed I must be wrong. I have realized that without reasons given, snowie (even if he was always right) won't be much help. so with that in mind snowie can't be much use anyway.

I am however still impressed with his play vs jungleman, I saw the video and snowie came up with few errors during their game and those were the plays that he was unsure of which leads me to give it credit for being competent. If it was completely idiotic it would have called out lots of contested errors but that wasn't the case, it was very in-line with the thinking of the professional.

though 6max is so much more complex, but I can't really fault the logic of how neural networks converge on a solution.

Also, snowy is a coward... he folds a lot to any sort of pressure. did you notice this? He nearly always folded to my 3-bets, and I ended up doing more 3-bets to exploit him. It really didn't feel like he was unexploitable at all.

so one last question.

is there an archive of hands in one place on the net with the reasons for each play from a respected authority?

I just have a few examples from books and of course I browse the forums here. I'm wondering if there was a goldmine I'm missing.

Well, don't ever listen to what snowie has to say. You'd better post your hands here or ask a competent poker player.

I couldn't find much info on this match vs jungleman, but I think it only involved 1.5k hands (and jungleman was up 3BI anyway). The pokersnowie team shamelessly recorded every hand where jungleman was surprised by what snowie had to make it look like jungleman was outplayed.
We'd have a much less biased answer if jungleman gave his advice on the subject.


Like I said in the pokersnowie thread, I played a few hundred hands against the software and I agree with you. Snowie is massively exploitable as, like most bots, it doesn't recognize bluffs. As long as you play every hand with initiative and have the most basic understanding of board texture you will probably be able to crush him at insanely high lolwinrate (200bb/100) thanks to you redline.

No, and such an archive database is probably not possible in any near future for two reasons:
- The way you should play a hand is very dependent on the stakes you play at. Noone really has any clue how to play the vast majority of hands in a GTO fashion. We are nowhere near GTO and are just playing exploitative strategies that could often be reversely exploited.
- To play a hand properly, you have to take into account your opponent's stats and history. You will notice that when you see a good hand analysis people often have different advices vs different players.

Ok you've convinced me to focus on player tendencies rather than some complete framework. I guess it's easy to look at new tech like snowie and get entranced in it.

I have noticed that I have a lot more data on people now and I have dropped TPTK on the flop and even AK preflop (OOP) once because of stats.

I can't be sure without seeing their cards but I do feel I've avoided a lot of bad situations.

Thanks.

edit oh and do you have a good source that identifies the different player types and ways to play against them? I think I'll focus on that now

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...micros-430637/
Read the 3rd post for a start (and read the whole guide if you haven't yet).

For something more advanced, rather than generic player types, you should identify stats leak. I don't have any specific link to provide, but you should learn all the main stats (VPIP, PFR, AF, steal, fold to steal, 3b%, fold to 3bet%, cbet, fold to cbet,...), what they mean and how to exploit someone who gets out of line with them.

This is sometimes tricky as:
- You need a good number of hands for certain stats to converge
- You often need multiple stats and some showdown samples to clearly identify a leak
- Good player will adjust to you and play a bit differently from their stats

Did I make the correct move to shove with QQ here? I know if he's reraising my raise and we both have high stacks that he probably has AA, KK, QQ, AK. Assume he has AK, theres a 60% chance an A or K will come. I should have just called right?

Full Tilt, (60/120 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: 2,720 (22.7 bb)
SB: 4,400 (36.7 bb)
BB: 880 (7.3 bb)
UTG+1: 4,800 (40 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): 4,660 (38.8 bb)
MP1: 5,866 (48.9 bb)
MP2: 3,895 (32.5 bb)
MP3: 3,240 (27 bb)
CO: 4,092 (34.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 240, MP1 raises to 840, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 840, 3 folds, BB raises to 880 and is all-in, Hero raises to 4,660 and is all-in, MP1 calls 3,820, MP3 calls 2,400 and is all-in

Flop: (13,500) 2 K A (4 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: (13,500) 5 (4 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (13,500) J (4 players, 3 are all-in)

Results: 13,500 pot
Final Board: 2 K A 5 J
BB showed A J and lost (-880 net)
Hero showed Q Q and lost (-4,660 net)
MP1 showed A K and won 13,500 (8,840 net)
MP3 showed Q J and lost (-3,240 net)

He only has 50% chances of hitting a pair with his AK.

I haven't done the maths but even if MP1 is a nit who only 3bets QQ+/AK, your shove should almost be correct thanksto BB and MP3 (whose range you crush).
He probably has a wider 3betting range though, so I think you overestimate your opponents and your shove is ok.

10k hands in cash game sample is aprox equivalent with how many turbo husng?

Is rake on IPoker more than on Pokerstars? If so, does the softer games make up for it or is it more +EV to play on stars?