(Low Stakes- Live) Forum on 2+2

Some Eurofreak whose name I forget racked up $1500 in a month 24 tabling 2NL...$1500 / 6 = $250. So you can make $250 a month 4 tabling 2NL if you really want to.

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hello

im just about to finish no limit hold'em theory and practice,and was wondering which of these two choices would benefit me best "professional: no limit vol 1" or "hold'em for advanced players".pros cons?

either way im going to get both done
but a strong foundation is a stable one :-D


also side note:thank you Ed Miller,David Skalansky,Mason Malmuth and 2+2 pub

thank you so much!!!!!

OK, I doubt I can keep the same win rate as that "eurofreak" you are referring to , but It gives a general idea. Thanks.

I'd recommend you practice what you've learned already until it becomes instinctive. Reread a concept at a time, play lots of hands to apply the concept, revise your hands to see where you can improve, and keep doing that. Don't underestimate how much practice this takes.

Only when you have completely got all the basics down should you look at more advanced texts. If you learn too much theory without really bedding it down into practice, it's very likely you will apply advanced concepts in the wrong places and ingrain bad habits it will be more difficult to shake off.

Even though you are probably hungry to learn as much as possible, slow down and learn it properly. One step at a time is right.

This is so much the wrong way to look at things. You need to find out what games you can beat, in what conditions, for what rate. With this information you can make decisions to maximise an hourly rate by choosing stakes and number of tables to play.

Referring to chiren80 ?

can you post on 2p2 when you are 17?

Sure.

However, playing online poker (or live poker) underage is a very bad idea. Particularly given the uncertainties around the future of online and consolidation within the industry it would really suck to get yourself life banned from a major site because you couldn't wait a few months (etc) never mind how brutal it would be to bink a large tournament and have your winnings confiscated.

Ok , thank you.

Unfortunately your message came a little late.
But i´m gonna post this story in another thread.

That's him, thx. Of course he played 1 million hands and was probably pulling 20 hour days to do it...not exactly much fun. But if your goal is $100 a month, you can do that with 2NL if you really want to. I agree with you saying that's not really the best way to design a goal.

Ive only been playing a couple months and have been reading up on a lot of tutorials and strategy over the past few weeks. I do have a stupid question though. I see a lot of strategy broken down by what time of game you are playing (cash, SnG, tournament) and Im not sure what I should be following. I play with at home with a group of friends (4-8 max), NL hold em, $10 buy in, and 25/50 blinds. No one can buy in or leave the game once its started unless they are knocked out and want to buy back in once. Obviously this isnt a real tournament but the rules seem kind of more similar than a SnG. What kind of strategy should I be trying to follow?

20BB game....push or fold

2+2 noob question: just purchased PT3, how can i upload individual hands and graphs to a thread?

25/50 blinds means nothing if we do not know how deep you start. guessing you don't mean 25c/50c? (so short)

To post a picture on 2+2, you must first upload your photo to one of the photo sharing websites. ( A list of sharing sites can be found at this link: List of photo sharing websites )

The ability to upload a picture to 2+2 directly from your computer is not an option.

Once you have uploaded to one of the sharing sites, find the IMG code of your file and use that to post on 2+2.

Either start a thread or reply to a post, then click the and copy/paste the IMG.

Easy Peasy

thanks king, what about uploading hand from PT. is this possible?

scroll all the way to the top of the page. On the left is 2+2 Short cuts.

Copy/paste the hand into the Hand Converter...then copy the results and paste into a thread. Dunno, have heard some say the converter doesn't do well lately, but others have not had problems.

((Also, I do not have PT...so maybe they have a built in converter? search the PT forums))

ok sweet i just figured it though, thanks again!

When ppl say something along the lines of "if you're winning 7bbs/hr, you're doing very well". Surely they don't mean 7 actual big blinds, so if playing 1/2, that's only $14/hr? How can that be good?

Maybe you are confusing bb/hr with bb/100. The bb/100 hands is the gold standard here on 2+2 when talking about a players winrate. This is also sometimes notated as ptbb/100 because a long time ago in a land before time, the game was LIMIT poker and you analyzed results as a factor of Big Bets (or 2x the big blind), Pokertracker when it first came out used a factor of big blinds because it made more sense to NL players.

If you are talking bb/hour.....and maybe you get 30 hands per hour....then (7)(.3)= 2.1bb/100 is a low winrate for sure in a live casino environment. But online, that could be pretty good........ 5 tabling at that rate is $21/hr..... 10 tabling = $42/hr

And whether you like it or not, winning anything is better than losing

Can anyone recommend a COTW aimed at flop play?

Thanks in advance.

Go to the 2009 early threads and read the CBetting, cold calling, (adv cold calling is my contribution). Board reading.....

Really most of the early CoTW threads are all PF/Flop.

And get this point kinda straight...they are not two distinct strategies...they should blend together.. As an example, when deciding when to call an EP raise preflop, look at villain stats to determine if setmining will be profitable. Some villains raise EP and c/f the flop if their AK misses. ((If so, you can call ATC and bluff a non-A, K flop..........see how preflop should semi-direct post flop options? ))

What exactly is bad about donking? I ask because it's my standard play when given a cheap flop in the big blind and I flop a weak top pair, because check-calling seems horrible and I have no idea where I stand, check-raising is massively overplaying my hand, and check-folding seems too weak.

In lieu of a hand history, say vil (21/18) opens on the button 3x the BB and hero decides to defend with 87cc (the merits of defending here and not 3betting aside), and the flop is 842r. Hero leads for 4-5bb - is there anything wrong with this?

some reasons often cited are that

- it's hard to balance
- u get more value inducing bluffs
- 'protecting your hand' is overrated

there are some situations where it's fine or good but the general perception of it being bad comes from fish doing it a lot in bad spots afaik