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09-06-2016 , 05:43 AM
To what extent are NLHE skills transferable to PLO? If I want to make the shift to PLO later will it be considerably easier/quicker with NLHE background? Or is NLHE just a waste of time if you plan to switch?
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09-06-2016 , 12:31 PM
paddy, what game are you talking about? FR is much different than 6M which is much different than HU. NL, HE, O....?

mrno, I have heard that limit HE is better training ground for PLO...but I have no specific knowledge on the question. I think any form of poker will help the next..... though not sure anything other than HU will prepare you for the swings (variances) of PLO.
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09-06-2016 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by paddy01
Hi,

Probably been asked to death but can't find the answer anywhere so..

With player styles nit tag lag passive fish whale etc what stats ie 27/18 etc do you place them under?
i don't assign arbitrary names to figures
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09-06-2016 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
paddy, what game are you talking about? FR is much different than 6M which is much different than HU. NL, HE, O....?

mrno, I have heard that limit HE is better training ground for PLO...but I have no specific knowledge on the question. I think any form of poker will help the next..... though not sure anything other than HU will prepare you for the swings (variances) of PLO.


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09-06-2016 , 04:09 PM
paddy - looks like a 'good reg' range, maybe a tad loose, but certainly not someone to mess with at Zoom. Fold, move on.
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09-06-2016 , 04:40 PM
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paddy - looks like a 'good reg' range, maybe a tad loose, but certainly not someone to mess with at Zoom. Fold, move on.


Sorry dude, I meant what stats do each 'style' fall under ie stats for nit stats for tag stats for lag stats for passive stats for fish...?


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09-06-2016 , 04:45 PM
Why does it matter? As sixfour suggests, nomenclature means nothing. But answering Why... may reveal something about your thought process.
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09-06-2016 , 04:49 PM
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Why does it matter? As sixfour suggests, nomenclature means nothing. But answering Why... may reveal something about your thought process.


Helps to know what type of player your against I guess in decision making on calls - folds to how much to bet etc


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09-06-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Helps to know what type of player your against I guess in decision making on calls - folds to how much to bet etc


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we already have a good way to know types of players - we have the numbers. it's a spectrum, it's not black or white, working out that 24.856350% is the borderline between loose and tight is ridiculous
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09-06-2016 , 05:47 PM
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we already have a good way to know types of players - we have the numbers. it's a spectrum, it's not black or white, working out that 24.856350% is the borderline between loose and tight is ridiculous


Is it not those numbers that I'm asking for? I always see posts with like 'villain is 30/28 Lag' and wondered what brackets people ear mark players as


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09-06-2016 , 06:18 PM
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Is it not those numbers that I'm asking for? I always see posts with like 'villain is 30/28 Lag' and wondered what brackets people ear mark players as


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Check out how holdem manager does it and start from there. The auto rate icons...
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09-06-2016 , 06:27 PM
I want to start playing tournaments and have researched a lot on them, I keep hearing, that sit n Go's are a good way to prepare yourself for the tournaments, why is that? How does sit n go help with tournaments.
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09-06-2016 , 09:33 PM
Because a sit'n'go is a small tournament
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09-07-2016 , 03:19 AM
there's a clue in the name single table tournament
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09-07-2016 , 07:21 PM
When playing in a tournament does a person who calls a bet out of turn get a chance to retract that action if the person who never had a chance to act before the other person acted out of turn decides to go all in?

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09-07-2016 , 11:23 PM
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Hi,

Probably been asked to death but can't find the answer anywhere so..

With player styles nit tag lag passive fish whale etc what stats ie 27/18 etc do you place them under?


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at micros a 27/18 is probably just a passive semi-fish

at midstakes+ 27/18 is around what most big winning regs are playing.
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09-08-2016 , 12:21 AM
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When playing in a tournament does a person who calls a bet out of turn get a chance to retract that action if the person who never had a chance to act before the other person acted out of turn decides to go all in?

Yes. Unless there's a specific house rule that says otherwise.

The standard rule is that out of turn action is binding *unless* the action changes.

So, BTN raises and BB calls before the SB acts. If SB fold or calls then the action is the same and BB must keep his call in. However is SB raises then the action has changed and BB can take his call back and re-evaluate what he wants to do.
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09-08-2016 , 07:25 AM
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Because a sit'n'go is a small tournament

Yes it is a small tournament but how is it going to help me, when I play in multi table tournaments? Should should I be learning from sit n Go's that I can apply to multi table tournaments?
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09-08-2016 , 08:06 AM
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Yes it is a small tournament but how is it going to help me, when I play in multi table tournaments? Should should I be learning from sit n Go's that I can apply to multi table tournaments?
I know this is the beginers forum and the dumb question thread but...

You will learn when to bet, when to call and when to fold.

A tournament is a tournament whether it has 6 people or 6 thousand people. Look at your stack size, look at the stack sizes of the other players at the table, look at your cards, consider pay out implications if you are in a spot where payout implications are applicable and then make an optimal decision.
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09-08-2016 , 08:57 AM
Plus the most important part of an MTT is when it's down to one table
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09-08-2016 , 01:16 PM
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Yes. Unless there's a specific house rule that says otherwise.

The standard rule is that out of turn action is binding *unless* the action changes.

So, BTN raises and BB calls before the SB acts. If SB fold or calls then the action is the same and BB must keep his call in. However is SB raises then the action has changed and BB can take his call back and re-evaluate what he wants to do.
Thanks
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09-09-2016 , 06:35 PM
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I know this is the beginers forum and the dumb question thread but...

You will learn when to bet, when to call and when to fold.

A tournament is a tournament whether it has 6 people or 6 thousand people. Look at your stack size, look at the stack sizes of the other players at the table, look at your cards, consider pay out implications if you are in a spot where payout implications are applicable and then make an optimal decision.

Thanks
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09-15-2016 , 01:00 PM
In his book on 6-max online cash games Harrington suggests open raising 10% UTG, 15% MP, 22% CO and 30% BTN.

1) Why don't the increases in range happen in a linear fashion? Isn't all that matters the number of people behind you? I'm trying to understand opening ranges and trying to find some system I can commit to memory. What's the relationship between opening ranges from certain positions (no matter if the player is generally tight or loose)? In what manner do they increase?

2) Also, is there a general (emphasis on general - I realize such oversimplification is rarely good) set of opening ranges I could commit to memory for full ring* which could be applied both to tournament (early, tight) and cash game play (tight)? I'm a complete beginner and just need something to work with and would like a set of opening ranges for each position to memorize. If I could understand the logic behind it, that would be great.

Thank you

* In the previous books by Harrington on tournament play he vaguely specifies ranges for 10-/9-handed tournament play, but I'd like exact hands, e.g. QJs+.

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09-15-2016 , 02:24 PM
Since you have probably read more than just the one book..... my recommendation is to internalize an understanding of what constitutes a "general" range for positions. Specifics is REALLY dumb since you are forgetting an equally important (if not more important) criteria...... those opponents in the hand already or those still behind. Edit to add: Think about the difference between T9s and 87s. The difference is minor-to-trivial so if you are following a rigid chart, you WILL miss opportunities that are present vs. certain opponents .

And to your second request....there is no set range that will work for BOTH tourney and cash. Because..... beside the opponent criteria, you have to calculate M throughout each hand/blind level. And doing that will distort your ranges. Think small pairs.... good at the beginning and end of M ranges,,,,, pretty poor in the middle.
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09-15-2016 , 03:53 PM
Thank you for the reply.

I realise that "specifics" is really dumb, however, I'm a complete beginner (despite the few books). I have yet to internalize ranges and am therefore still clinging to some rigid rules (which will hopefully become more flexible in the future).

Anyone have an idea as to how opening range percentages increase in poker (I'm talking theory; I realise it's different in practice but I'm the kind of person that would like to know the underlying reasons behind something)?

On some other site I found the following approximate range % for position (9-handed).

1.~5%
2. ~7%
3. ~8.5%
4. ~10%
5. ~13%
6. ~20%
7. ~30%
8. SB ...
9. BB ...

So the percentage for the following seat's range increases by about a third of the previous range? Is that how it is? (I realize how unpragmatic this probably is but am still curious).

UTG+1 = 5 + (5 x 0.33) = 6.6%
UTG+2 = 7 + (7 x 0.33) = 9.3%
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