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01-23-2017 , 09:24 AM
It's just the odds of how often we think villain is betting with something we beat. Say he bets half the pot, we need to be right 25% of the time for the call to be correct
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01-23-2017 , 02:39 PM
i thought it was a begginers question ,if you have to suggest any goood threads near to my question it will be appreciated
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01-23-2017 , 03:08 PM
data4321 - the left column General Poker>Poker Theory. 3 betting for balance is above what a beginner needs to know. Plus, you just asked a perfectly searchable question that can be asked and answered in any number of strat forums. Start in the lower stakes areas of the No Limit Hold em section
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01-24-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Yeah I know, I just figured 3BB was just the standard opening size for whatever reason.
The point is you're not opening in the second hand. There are already two limpers.

Opening means being the first non-blind/ante to put money in the pot preflop.
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01-24-2017 , 04:04 PM
king spew thanks for reply
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01-24-2017 , 07:37 PM
What's the play here deep in MTT?

Action folds to HJ who bets 7bb leaving 14bb behind. CO folds and action is on Hero (49BB) with AJ on the button.

CO stats are 38 VPIP/23 PFR over a small sample.

SB is sitting at 30bb with 32 VPIP/20 PFR and BB is 11bb with 11VPIP/7 PFR.

What should Hero do?
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01-28-2017 , 05:00 AM
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What's the play here deep in MTT?

Action folds to HJ who bets 7bb leaving 14bb behind. CO folds and action is on Hero (49BB) with AJ on the button.

CO stats are 38 VPIP/23 PFR over a small sample.

SB is sitting at 30bb with 32 VPIP/20 PFR and BB is 11bb with 11VPIP/7 PFR.

What should Hero do?
Shoving should be fine. HJ is already pot committed.
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01-28-2017 , 03:08 PM
http://www.cardrunnersev.com/equilibrium.html

Was reading this and it says...

"In the field "Target dEV" you can fill in which deviation you deem acceptable if either player were to play optimally instead of his equilibrium strategy. The solver will stop if it finds a solution where dEV is below this amount. Should you want the solver to run indefinitely, then just set this value at 0."

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Onto my dumb question(s)... regarding "game theory optimal", "nash equilibrium", "maximally exploiting"

Definition of maximally exploiting = taking the highest EV line per hand combo

Definition of nash equilibrium = 2 maximally exploitative strategies that have reached a equilibrium where if one deviates from it they will not be able to improve their EV

Definition of game theory optimal = Playing your ranges in an optimal way that gives your range a higher EV and is similar to nash equilibrium???

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-So playing optimally like game theory optimal is exploitatively, i always thought game theory optimal was a nash equilibrium strategy/solution?
-Is there a difference between game theory optimal and nash equilibrium?
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01-28-2017 , 03:57 PM
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-So playing optimally like game theory optimal is exploitatively, i always thought game theory optimal was a nash equilibrium strategy/solution?
-Is there a difference between game theory optimal and nash equilibrium?
There is not a difference between game theory optimal and equilibrium.
Some people use the term optimal to mean whatever line has the max ev and others use the term optimal to mean nash. You can usually tell from context. If you want to avoid confusion use the term equilibrium when referring to nash and use the term Maximally Exploitive when referring to the max ev line.

The argument about optimal meaning nash and optimal meaning most +EV line in a game tree is in this thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...ology-1180391/

Note: by context you can see the crev guy used the term optimal to mean the line with +EV, and in that case it was not the equilibrium strategy. He is probably a math guy.

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01-28-2017 , 08:14 PM
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There is not a difference between game theory optimal and equilibrium.
Some people use the term optimal to mean whatever line has the max ev and others use the term optimal to mean nash. You can usually tell from context. If you want to avoid confusion use the term equilibrium when referring to nash and use the term Maximally Exploitive when referring to the max ev line.

The argument about optimal meaning nash and optimal meaning most +EV line in a game tree is in this thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...ology-1180391/

Note: by context you can see the crev guy used the term optimal to mean the line with +EV, and in that case it was not the equilibrium strategy. He is probably a math guy.
Thank you again BAE.

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You cleared things up for me i think and wtf i saved that thread long ago and cudnt find it, god damn math nerds whyyyy.

So how the hell am i suppose to know what someone is talking about if they say this is going to be the "optimal" strategy it just makes things that much more ambiguous and i feel like i definitely/might have misunderstood some things in the past because of this ambiguity.
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01-29-2017 , 04:03 AM
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So how the hell am i suppose to know what someone is talking about if they say this is going to be the "optimal" strategy it just makes things that much more ambiguous and i feel like i definitely/might have misunderstood some things in the past because of this ambiguity.
The best thing to do is study simple toy games until it all starts making more sense. Shove/fold , raise/fold, AKQ, make up a few of your own games....

You're already asking yourself the right questions. You're on the right track. It was a good observation you made.
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01-29-2017 , 07:04 AM
I just punted away a 25bb stack in the final 25 of the Big 2.20. I don't have a dumb question, but I am dumb.
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01-30-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Thank you again BAE.

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You cleared things up for me i think and wtf i saved that thread long ago and cudnt find it, god damn math nerds whyyyy.

So how the hell am i suppose to know what someone is talking about if they say this is going to be the "optimal" strategy it just makes things that much more ambiguous and i feel like i definitely/might have misunderstood some things in the past because of this ambiguity.
Eh, FWIW the concept of Nash is only really super useful for HU games and toy games.
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01-31-2017 , 09:48 PM
Hey

I recently got a new MacBook Pro (13inch with touchbar). My old laptop had Windows and crashed all the time, so I never actually played poker on it. Was thinking of starting an account somewhere on this Mac (though I bought it for other purposes).

So, any recommendations for playing poker on a Mac? Do many people do it? Should I play poker on something else? I can still use my old laptop for offline stuff (flopzilla?).

Any advice is appreciated! (and no smartass Mac hate comments please)
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02-01-2017 , 10:18 AM
Hey all, couldn't really find a better place to post this.

There is a 2+2 wide beginner/new player game of Werewolf being held in the POG sub forum. Very fun forum based strategy/deception game that is not time consuming and can be played at your own pace.

Check out the signup thread for rules/instructions and to signup if interested.
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02-02-2017 , 11:52 PM
Again like above not a dumb question, just a statement that I'm dumb, was on a nice stack, getting towards the cash when I thought I'd call a shove for a flush draw on the turn. Noob!!!
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02-03-2017 , 08:42 AM
I am on the button, I raise pre and get two calllers from the blinds. The flop hits 57% of the sb's range and 46% of the bb's range.

How do I calculate the overall chance that either player hit the flop? i.e their probabilities combined.

Thanks in advance.

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02-03-2017 , 02:17 PM
calculate the probability that they both miss then take that away from 100%. obv this isn't an entirely independent variable situation, but it'll be close enough
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02-04-2017 , 09:07 AM
Thanks
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02-06-2017 , 02:04 AM
Anyone know where i can find hand charts for flatting ranges in EP (ep vs. ep), i've always struggled with it and tbh don't know what hands are "correctish" to flat or not so i play sort of like a nit from EP.

For example vs. villain opens UTG and hero is in EP is it okay to defend all suited Ax?
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02-08-2017 , 08:46 AM
Thanks guy
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02-10-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Anyone know where i can find hand charts for flatting ranges in EP (ep vs. ep), i've always struggled with it and tbh don't know what hands are "correctish" to flat or not so i play sort of like a nit from EP.

For example vs. villain opens UTG and hero is in EP is it okay to defend all suited Ax?
You would struggle to play too tight. Most AXs are clearly not calls there.

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02-10-2017 , 03:34 PM
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You would struggle to play too tight. Most AXs are clearly not calls there.

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Do you know where i cud find a flatting range chart perhaps for multiple positions?
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02-10-2017 , 03:41 PM
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Do you know where i cud find a flatting range chart perhaps for multiple positions?
I think Upswing has one but live poker will be very different.
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02-10-2017 , 07:04 PM
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I think Upswing has one but live poker will be very different.
lol upswing it only has raising hand matrix(s), i'm talking about online tho and for live you can get away with playing more hands/being loose passive depending on table.

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