"Throw that guy out, get him out of here!" --- Donald Trump.

Hello,

If the board is 4-suited, and I own one of the cards of the same suit (thus making a flush). In a heads-up pot, is it correctly calculated that there is approximately 40% chance that villain also owns a card of that suit? And, in a threeway pot, approximately 64% chance that any of the villains hold another card of that suit?

My calculation is based on the fact that there are 8 cards left of that particular suit (13 minus 4 on the board minus one in my hand), and 37 cards of the other suits (13 times 3, minus one on the board minus one in my hand).

If so, and villain bets OOP (in a HU pot)... is it profitable to always call this bet if I hold the flush (independent from any other reads)? Or do you guys see villains often donkbet on this river when they do not have the flush? (to hope for a fold?)

If so, is it smart to min-raise such bets for value? And snapfold a low-card flush when villain re-raises? Or is it better to call behind?

Thanks!

Kind of dangerous to think that way, once he bets that's new information that probably indicates something in relation to his cards

Of course.

Another question: as calculating implied odds for hitting a set on the flop is quite difficult (although you can determine post-flop aggression of a villain), how do you guys play your pocket pairs when sitting 100BB+ deep?

- Do you open-raise with them?
- Do you call an open-raise with them? (And if not, do you do this when there is another caller already)
- Do you do this with all pocket pairs or do you exclude 22 for example?
- Do you check/fold them on a non-hit board, or do you sometimes make bluffs with them in a HU pot?

Thanks!

ok, some dude criticized me earlier, and says open-raising wasn't a thing.. I'm confused.

Opening means your the first person to voluntarily put money into the pot? So either UTG limp/raising or a later position where everyone folds to you, correct?

At that point, can I add a modifier such as limp/raise to indicate the actual action and people understand me?

I.e. V1 & V2 are the blinds, V3 folds, v4 folds, V5 open raises, or v5 open limps.

Something I don't get about PLO:

In a 0.02/0.05 game, there will be 0.07 in the pot preflop but if Im first to open the action and raise the pot, it raises 0.17.

Why is this? Shouldn't the most I'd be able to raise be the pot?

Your call is included in the calculation
It would be 5 to call.
Now there is 12 in the pot.
So, you can raise 12.
5 your call and 12 your raise.
5 + 12 = 17

I meant to say raises TO 0.17

Same concept though?

Yeah, this explains why clicking the pot button gave you a value of 17.
Well...
What do you get when you open for a pot sized bet from the small blind?

I get it now, thanks a lot

Question on counting outs. Lets say i hold JH 10C flop 9D 4D QC I now have 8 outs 4k 4 8's? Am i correct to assume i divide 8 into remaining 47 cards in deck to get my odds which is around 6-1? The percentage after flop is based on 2 4 rule so i would multiply 8X4 to get 32% . Lets put aside turn and river for now . Am i right so far? Thanks

Hero holds JT
Flop 94Q
You hold an OESD (Open Ended Straight Draw)

You have 8 outs to a straight. 8/47 ~ 17% or 6:1

That is all correct from your post.

The 4-2 Rule gives you a good estimate of how often your outs come home BY THE RIVER. So on the flop 4x8 = 32% of the time IF YOU SEE THE RIVER*, you will earn your straight. If you miss your straight on the turn, then 2x8 = 16% of the time IF YOU SEE THE RIVER*, you will earn your straight.

One thing to consider with your hypothetical situation....... Q or the 8 WILL give you your straight....but you could be drawing dead to a flush....so you need to discount those two cards as possible outs. So instead of 8 pure outs, you have 6 pure outs and 2 tainted outs for a total of (maybe) 7 outs for calculations.


*You probably will be paying to see future cards and may need to fold.

Hello,

Should I be folding AQ to a re-raise at the microstakes (and in general), or call and see flop?

Example: I open-raise AQ to 3BB, everyone folds, villain reraises to 10BB, more folds, me to decide. I think it's a fold?

On the outs issue once again Im holding QD 8C Flop Kc Ad 2h am i correct to assume i have zero outs because improving your hand to one pair is not considered outs? Ex 3 Q 3 8's cannot be counted as outs

Depends on positions

You'll have different outs against different parts of your opponent's range. In this example, you have no outs against anything your opponent will value bet, but you could be ahead already.

Counting outs can be tricky. If you have a lot of outs it probably means you're looking at a wet board, with a significant chance that you're not the only one drawing to a big hand. You have to consider how your outs might be affected by what your opponent is holding.

Here's an example:

You're holding 66 and the flop is 789. You have eight outs to make a straight and two more to make a set of sixes. But your outs aren't worth much if anyone in the hand is holding a ten or a diamond.

In a situation like that you have to downgrade some of your outs, which leads to the concept of "partial outs."

From http://www.pokernews.com/strategy/ho...and-24340.htm:

"While most players are good at figuring out how many cards complete draws for them to help them make desired hands, many aren’t so careful when it comes to recognizing that some of those “outs” may in fact not be outs at all. In some cases, what seems like an “out” for you could also improve an opponent’s hand enough to keep the other player in front.

Yeah thats the problem and it can be confusing at times. The example you posed with an extremely wet board can also mean my outs aint worth sh because someone else might have the same outs , There are times i will run a hand like J 2 on dry flop through poker outs calculator and zero outs will come up but with a hand like K9 on same board with no possibility of improving the hand with a straight or flush , the outs calculator will show 3 K 3 9's for a total of 6 outs . Why is that?

poker outs calculator...... may be trying to tell you something about playing J2 initially.....

what calculator are you using?

carbon poker outs calculator. I think its the only one out there for free that calculates outs

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here is an example Hand Ac 2sp flop 3sp 9d 7h the outs calculator shows 3 outs which are Aces why isnt the 3 2's included which should be 6 outs? This is what puzzles me

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TheDefiniteArticle, out of interest: what makes you minraise? Because I saw in your videos that you min-raise a lot.

I minraise because people in my games don't defend BB enough against a BTN open, and minraising maximises the value of that error for me, especially given I'm confident I have a postflop edge, the size of which is maximised by playing with a higher SPR. It also allows me to continue more against 3bets.

I wouldn't recommend it for most beginners.