sucks i sat your guys horse game and you dipped out on me...

Come at me Bro !

cash SWU 321.21 in 453rd, rejam thay3r with 15bb with 33 and he woke up with AA
still in milly

Poast moar, we always have random games.

ul josh, Nice to cash on you first sunday back

Sweet Josh! I feel better that I'm not the only one who runs small pp into aces

gl in milly


Lost my roll to the rich kids, had to go back to the 'Dog

Only had tree fiddy on RPM

But I'll reload if you wanna try that sum moar!

No, you won't, and those of you left in suspense for the next few days, this is what happens when you buy stakes somewhere you should've known it wasn't permitted to sell them.

kinda harsh, that, Bobo

I'll update and idk why u guys are giving Josh a hard time, hes def trustworthy in the community just made some mistakes when he was younger which he has answered to.

Cliffs ??

Are you guys serious? He can't get marketplace approval because of multi-accounting, underage accounts, and problems on other staking sites, and then he goes and sells stakes elsewhere on 2+2. If we're going to let people get away with that sort of thing, why even do any checks in the marketplace? Hell, we might as well let anyone with a brand new account come sell stakes and let everyone get scammed.

And it's not like this was an innocent mistake; he knows the rules and decided to flaunt them - he's luck it was a permaban.

No updates in here please.

Serious question - is it permitted to mention itt intent to sell a % and to direct further discussion of the finer details to a skype group that most of us are in, at our own risk ofc?

Because sometimes I don;t want to trawl though last nights 900 skype posts to see if anyone is selling anything that I might be interested in.

Done posting about the issue

The fact that people have sold action here before is news to me, but I'm sure it happens in different places in 2+2 without Marketplace mods being aware of it. What the real issue is here, though, is that it was done by someone who not only doesn't have marketplace approval, but has been denied approval. It should be pretty obvious why we wouldn't want to allow that. And people vouching for his trustworthiness really doesn't change that - we can't have one set of criteria for selling stakes in the proper forum, and a different one that allows people to sell them elsewhere. Either you've been approved for selling stakes on 2+2, or you haven't.

If he is so trustworthy now, and all the mistakes were in his past, I'm kind of surprised I don't see anything in his notes about having reapplied in the last year, unless he did so and no one made note of it? Have to say he hurt his chances today, though.

Suspense? I don't understand? I don't recall ever seeing any warning, citation, or posted notices in this thread about the regs alerting each other to what we do in skype chat.

I understand the rules Bobo, np

But it seems Josh was singled out unfairly IMO

Where were you with the ban when member x, y, or z was selling action here ITT?

This is prolly best done on skype or by personal contact anyway, as you do have a point that this thread is not a marketplace thread and we do not want posters we don't know coming in here and trying to sell something.

It just does not sit well with me, the way this came down. And fwiw, I don't think you putting Josh on blast about things he fkd up when he was a minor was cool. I raised 4 kids, all adults now, and if I held every transgression against them now, I would not be much of a father IMO

We were all kids once, we learn and mature and grow, hopefully with the help of friends that care about us. I like Josh, he is a good young man who made some mistakes IMO but I don't give up on kids that easy. I will stick by him, and defend him if I feel he is being treated unfairly - which I think is the case here.

If you want to continue this in ATF, I am willing.

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Im not wanting to get real involved with this, but I could see a case for action if this wasnt a BQ regs LC thread. Look back over the past years worth of these and see how many people have just randomly posted itt. We all talk to each other on a regular basis outside 2p2, and only sell our pieces to those whom we know. Its not like we are just posting a new thread up in BQ or other places trying to sell. Maybe we were naive to treat this thread like our personal playground...

Perhaps my wording wasn't the best. What I meant was that he wouldn't be updating for a few days since he was temp-banned.

Were those members Marketplace Approved? Had they been denied approval previously?

There are tens of thousands of posts in these forums every day; many of them are never seen by a mod, so I certainly don't see them all. Someone happened to report his post, so I acted on it. That's kind of the way it works sometimes - we don't decide not to take action because it happened lots of other times and we didn't know about it, and I don't plan on digging through a bunch of LC threads to see how many other times it happened.

Right, that's exactly the problem.

I don't think I really put him "on blast" about anything, if I'm understanding that phrase correctly. I simply mentioned why he didn't have marketplace approval. As for holding transgressions against people from when they were kids, etc., I'm not sure what that has to do with anything here. We're talking about stuff that happened in the last few years. Is everything supposed to automatically reset and be forgotten when he turns 18 or 19? It's not like I'm dredging up stuff from 20 years ago here.

OK, that could be the case, so my apologies if I was mistaken there as it seems I was. I'll bring this up for discussion in our mod forum marketplace thread.

The fact that it's buried in a thread is irrelevant in this case. The issue at hand is a poster selling stakes when they've been told they aren't allowed to.

Just to confirm - so we don't break any rules in the future.

If we are marketplace approved and want to sell pieces of ourselves - its allowed in the LC/NC thread?

I'm not making a ruling on that here and now, but I'll just say I personally have a lot less issue with that. Give us a day or two to talk it over in the mod forum.

I have no idea if the many other members that have posted selling action were MP approved, I didn't check. Some had colored titles, so I would assume they knew what they were doing here.

Putting him on "blast" means unnecessarily spreading information to a wider audience about something a person has done. All you needed to post was that Josh was not at this time MP approved. End. Nothing more needed to be posted.

And in the US a minor generally has his juvenile records sealed when he becomes an adult. The Law recognizes that young kids often make mistakes that should not be held against them when they become of age. If you have some reason to believe Josh is not currently living up to his obligations, or has some outstanding financial issue that affects the members on this forum, then that would be fair to post. I certainly do not want my juvenile transgressions brought up here in a public forum, nor would I stand for having my children's past brought up in a public setting such as this. I believe you were out of line posting details and information about things that occurred with a minor child. I'll be happy to discuss further with 2p2 legal counsel if you wish, I am confident that US laws protect minors at the expense of other rights that citizens may have here. But IANAL so we can continue that issue separately if desired, with legal counsel.


This is what should have been done in the first place IMO

Just a few minutes of time on your part, ask around, talk to other mods, especially the mods that work this forum and this thread in particular.

It appears to me, and others here, that you came in shooting first, and asking questions afterwards.

I object to the appearance, even if it is not intended, of any bias in enforcing rules.

Wow. You've made some good and/or interesting points up until now, but much of this is beyond ridiculous. Any thought that this could be some kind of legal matter probably isn't even worthy of responding, but what the hell. First of all, I'm talking about a forum member who goes by the name of jdawg91 - I've never identified him by name. Second of all, nothing I've said is a matter of him breaking the law and I can't see how any kind of sealing of records would be even remotely relevant. But even if you want to dismiss all of that, third, and most important...jdawg91 himself has posted far more than I have about his multiaccounting and underage gambling. I've revealed nothing new.

Even if that wasn't the case, are you telling me you actually would be in favour of us never again mentioning anything a forum member had done right up until a day before he turned 18?

You're suggesting that I need to ask around about temp-banning someone for something that is clearly against the rules?

Um, OK. I don't know jdawg, so I don't know what my bias is supposed to be.

Starting the $22.5K Sunday High Roller. Still have 10% available for the next few minutes. Book now.

Too much content.

tl;dr: Make a marketplace thread and link to it from here when selling.

@Bobo
So you just assumed that the 10 members, some as old as 2006 and many thousands of posts here, that posted after jdawg ITT, were ignorant to the forum rules? It didn't seem odd to you that the post was treated as standard by the regulars ITT? It didn't occur to you that maybe you should take a few minutes to assess the situation, before banning jdawg? Was there a previous infraction or warning given to that member for this post or any previous post here before the ban?

Your bias may or may not be real, but as I stated previously, it is the appearance of bias that creates the problems. I have read many many posts over the last 4 months in the lc/nc thread that were exactly like the post from jdawg. Surely, probability would suggest, that one of those others would have been noticed by a staff member, a mod, or reported by some member here? Ergo, the appearance of bias.

As for your accusation that my paragraph concerning minor's rights is ridiculous, I will defer to the legal member of our group of BQ'ers, and will respond if/when appropriate. But from a strictly social etiquette view, I think putting members on blast is simply bad form, and is douche behavior IMO. Now, before you banhammer me also, I didn't call you any names; just made an analogy about a behavior, and added that it was only an opinion of mine.

I think we should move this discussion to the appropriate forum anyway, so let's make a thread in ATF

This thread in the Zoo seems to be in violation of the forum rules, as far as I read them anyway. Can you comment on this Bobo?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ng-rules-1529/

This member is MP approved, and is a reg here and on skype, so please do not ban him for this alert to members of the BQ chat.

Any business transaction will take place in the chat or by direct contact, so no forum rules will be broken.

And ship that bitch Rook!!