Anti Vaxxer should watch couple of his video .
there is far worst thing In nature .

https://youtu.be/-HyHZsa79LU

I don't care. I will just do you now in this thread and simply proclaim stuff fact that is not. Clearly that does not matter so I hope you guys enjoy that going forward.

I am doing a Tien and that is all i will do going forward in this thread.

I did not read the quote nor do i care, I will just label my opinion of it fact and laugh.

You didn't have Covid.

If you got tested like that and it came back negative you had some nasty flu.

The covid killer is pneumonia. Not being able to the breathe.

Happy you made it through, 104 fever is no joke. I had 103 fever during H1N1 and it does feel like you are dying.

Well you were already doing that so nothing has changed. I'm not surprised you'd double down on your ignorance and somehow think you're being clever.

Toothsayer alone has proven you wrong 100x in this thread. Yet here you are.

These are the words of a humiliated internet poster.

Lulz.

This is actually so delicious.

This clown proclaimed to the world he "never has been wrong" on these forums and was right all the time.

Now this idiot finds out (what we all knew along) that he is habitually wrong since posting here. Like a Fred Flinstone on meth running around like a derp filled idiot.

All those times he called out Tooth, only to be faced with the fact he's been wrong all these times.

And when it really blows up in his face. Over some random thing Trump said, he has the audacity to go after me and said he is pulling a "Tien".

Total lack of self awareness. Try being right for once before you dare compare yourself to me.

*Spits on the ground at Cuepee's foot.

Anti vaxxers are clinging on to israeli data to say vaccines "don't work" while ignoring data from dozens of other countries.


The booster argument is the next battle ground:


"If vaccines are so effective why do we need boosters 3 months in?"

That's coming next.

They did that already. They are moving onto the "natural immunity is better than the vaccine" phase. What comes after that in terms of their messaging is anyone's guess. Depends on what they are told at that time.

Well according to Science on 08/26/21:


The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

It's funny seeing the constantly changing arguments. Clinging to that small data set while ignoring so many others. Cannot even deny at this point how effective they are against death and hospitalizations. They're really sticking it to the man I guess

And what would your answer be?

Bobby is this you

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/1...eks-in-brazil/

Why can I simply not be left the f*** alone if I don't want the vaccine?

I don't care if you take it, just don't force or coerce me to take it. I still can't for the life of me figure out why the following simple logic is wrong:

If you've had the option to take the vaccine and they work, then why do you need me to take it?
If the vaccine doesn't work, then why do you need me to take it?

Extremely lucid article: Covid is a social construct

Probably because you would be piss if you wouldn’t have access to hospital if you would get it and needed assistance ?

Two things:

That suggest the vaccine doesn't work and the hospitals would overflow at some point. Why would I then take the vaccine?

Hospitals overflowing is often the last resort argument. Why is this? Why is not having space for people at a hospital so bad that it trumps all other seen, unseen and unintended consequences of these extreme measures.

huh?
you are not the only one not taking the vaccine.
it is not like 95% of the population are vaccinated.

fwiw if being vaccinated would just prevent hospitalizations but not being fully protect to spread it, it would still be a major win.
i mean a lot of people are taking medication for not being stuck at the emergency everyday , why would a vaccine be different ?
its not like covid is a virus human do not know.

i do not understand why sane people would not take vaccine but are ready to take any medication that might help them with dubious effect to fight covid ?
i mean its the same dam big pharma producing both vaccine and medication anyway.
why one would be more safe than the other ?
vaccines being created without much issue for over 100 year with great benefits.
makes no sense we would do worst today when we have huge improved technology, AI, more knowledge and experience than ever .

Peak excess death in the USA over the course of Pandemic was 51%, which means 51% more people died on that day (Jan 3rd 2020) than the rolling average of the last 5 years.

If hospitals are over whelmed that number is significantly higher, a huge quantity of people whose lives could be saved by standard medical treatment would die unnecessarily.

Why is it bad if hospitals cant effectively function, is that really a question you have to ask?

Ok. So what it comes down to is that if I don't take the vaccine and a lot of other people don't as well the hospitals might overflow. This would be beyond horrible and warrant lockdowns/isolation/coercion/mental/financial issues etc. etc. Let's say I agree with that point of view for discussions sake.

What's then the point of vaccinating kids or other very low risk groups? They won't end up in a hospital. So in your scenario where you force every adult to take the vaccine so that they don't end up in a hospital because apparently that's what this vaccine is excellent at there's seems to be no reason for the kids to take it, right?

Anti-vaxxers already went through that form of messaging somewhere after "its just the flu" and all the Iceland/Israel/Liechtenstein cherry picked data that went nowhere, especially since the number of kids going to the hospitals in the US is rising pretty fast. The anti-vaxxers have since moved onto "natural immunity is better" without explaining how it would be properly screened since everyone will say they have natural immunity and the testing (when it was done) was hardly perfect, especially early on.

In the end most people literally do not care if you want to take big pharma horse paste or vitamins or have faith in Jesus or whatever you want to do instead of taking a vaccine other than those going down that path are clogging up the medical systems. That might be remedied in the USA once the insurance companies stop paying for unvaccinated as at that time a lot will choose to trust their immune system and croak at home instead of using up a lot of medical resources, and in that case the family or friends of the one who croaked will have to pay for the cleanup after, so its less of a burden on society from a monetary perspective.

Very agressive take. But you didn't answer my Q. You just went on some random rant against anti-vaxxers.

You asked what is the point of it when kids never end up in the hospital at a time when a ton more kids are ending up in the hospital in the USA.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/child-c...open-1.5578264

https://www.thecut.com/2021/09/a-rec...for-covid.html

which is why most anti-vaxxers have moved on from that form of discussion to the one I mentioned as the current one of "natural immunity is better."

I guess the answer to your question would be that a ton more of them are getting sick and ending up in the hospital. You can then choose to accept that situation and move onto the new form of anti-vaxx messaging or reject it after doing your own research. I would suggest reading this thread about 1-2 months ago when the anti-vaxxers were asking the same questions that you are asking today, and some posted charts of the data at the time (which of course no longer applies today).

So the kids are overwhelming the hospitals? OK.

That is you changing the conditions of your initial point. You originally stated

and I pointed out that indeed a ton more are "ending up in the hospital." Seems now you have moved onto the need for kids to literally overwhelm the hospital to yield on this point that most anti-vaxxers have already moved away from.

Again, the current messaging from your group is that natural immunity is better than vaccines, and a corollary of that (and the natural extension of the retro point you were making) is that it is a good thing if low risk individuals get natural immunity.

The irony of that is that was an idea I presented months ago as a concept, but at that time in July the anti-vaxx crowd were not quite ready for that form of messaging as they were still stuck in Iceland and Israel and Cyprus data. Here is a post I made in July

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=16593


The pattern of messaging from anti-vaxxers has been pretty easy to predict, because each type of messaging builds in a logical way on the most recent past form of their messaging. That does not always make it easy to predict what will happen 3-4 message cycles into the future, but so far it has fit a very standard logical path for messaging. You just happen to be a bit behind, that's all, which is why I suggested you read the thread in early July. Up to you how you do your own research in the end.