Why is it relevant that there aren't 20 year olds here? Does one need to be Black to care about George Floyd?
LA County mandated the vaccine for 12-15 for school. I think that's gross and insane. Yale has 99% vaccinated, still has all kinds of restrictions and hasn't moved much off their covid avg/week.
And people itt seem to think 1/1000 <20 die from Covid. If people don't speak out against insane actions/restrictions by morons on "muh freedoms" then more and more places will have them, and I ain't ****ing doing it anymore--we are team Let it Rip.


47-55 yr old? Idk whatever.
65 from 55 35x risk ^ (but this is likely heavily comorbidity based).
They should go to https://alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/ or comparable and do whatever they feel comfortable with.
I'm easily top 1% health of 33yr olds and I got vaccinated because that's what I felt was best decision at the time. The average 47-55 who doesn't get vaccinated is making a poor decision. Joe Rogan? Meh whatever.

It is relevant that many keep hammering home about the 20 an under thing (the latest of about 8 types of messaging they have used as past ones failed) when the bulk of the voluntary unvaccinated posting in this thread were 20 or under in the 1980s or 1990s. One dude here said he was very young at 47. He may as well have been holding a skateboard and saying "How do you do, fellow kids."

As I said - even if the whole 20 and under point is agreed upon, and odds are that messaging will be abandoned for something else in a couple months, why have those pitching that so hard completely ignored the Gen-Xers who are clearly in a different mathematical situation as they proudly talk about their robust immune system and huge family gatherings with they unvaccinated grannies.

I agree with you that they are making a poor decision, but notice how none of the others pushing the current 20 and under agenda have even touched that topic, even though doing so represents a direct message to people who are likely making a bad mathematical choice for themselves or their families. Now, in the end I doubt anyone in this thread cares much about the outcome of anyone else, but it is an interesting oversight as they continue to pick a narrowing demographic to discuss that is not even represented in this thread.

I don't need to be under 20, I have kids, as I'm sure many others do, and schools are starting to mandate the vaccine.

Our school this year has mandated it for 12+ if you want to play any sport, I imagine they will try to mandate it for everyone next year.

Actually if you read the posts of those that are pushing the 20 and under current messaging or the middle age guys who are proud of their unvaccinated state that mention it - pretty much none of them have kids nor will they ever be in a position where kids are an option, so while the point you bring up is a valid one to discuss - that is not the reason why it is brought up so far in this thread.

As to that point the reality is that in the USA and Canada the schools already require specific approved vaccines to attend, so if this one falls in that category (whether you believe it should or not) then the precedent is set to require it for participation in school activities. I do not doubt that some valid arguments can be made for and against that choice, but I would never use a thread like this as a basis for expertise in that regard as nearly all the "data" presented here is cherry picked agenda filled Twitter and Youtube content. Just read the thread during the data from Cyprus and Israel phase to get a taste of that.

This is a great site to get a feel for relative risk, thanks.

But not getting sick could be due to things other than one's immune system strength. Washing your hands regularly and not touching your face are probably the #1 and #2 things that prevent illness. Granted if you've only been sick once then your immune system is probably indeed functioning well but I hear that phrase enough that I think many people who use it don't know what they're talking about.

Teenage boys more at risk from vaccines than Covid
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...accines-covid/
9 September 2021 • 5:30pm


I wonder if this age relationship with myocarditis extends further down or it's something to do with kids around puberty age.

But LA country mandating it for attending school. UK doesn't even recommend it. Both are obviously very bout that sCiEnCe and stuff. Someone is wrong, who is it? Does anyone care?





Np yeah I thought that calculator was pretty neat.

Nice link. I look forward from the apologies to the gaggle of idiots above who laughed at the notion than the vaccine was more harmful to the young than covid.

Yesterday's Globe and Mail (Toronto), researcher sees Covid-19 origins in 2012 illnesses from batcave: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts...estions-about/

Keep in mind that many here were pitching 40 and under for a while before switching to 20 and under, and before that it was a horse paste sales meeting, and before that it was that vaccines do nothing (see this chart from Cyrprus) and before that it was that it was just a flu and before that it was all a hoax. Now the thread is filled with unvaccinated Gen-Xers who still believe at 47-55 (and likely not in the peak of health) that they are very young and at minimal risk, a point that very few seem to counter for some reason.

Guess we will see where the current 20 and under line of messaging goes, but based on the track record of those using it - all that will happen is that this current message will be replaced by new messaging in the future. After this current messaging is dropped no apologies will be forthcoming at that time, just as none were at the various stages of anti-vaxx messaging to date after they were abandoned.

Hey Cuepee, when do I get an apology for this blatant lie?

I'm still waiting.

The study I linked was talking about <20 year olds whereass Toothsayer was talking about 12-15 year olds. Also the study I linked compared myocarditis rates from the vaccine versus myocarditis in people who had covid. There is a good chance most people won't even get covid in a year. So that 6 times higher number is comparing actual covid cases to vaccines. There's still a good debate about whether getting the vaccine for children is worth the risk.

Yeah, you could just go away Cuepee that would be fine imo. But I would just stop engaging him as he has already shown himself to be a disingenuous person. Let him go on living in his made up fantasy world.

Thanks for quoting the imbecile, Cuepee (I have him on ignore along with the other thread driftwood/losers/useless posters like Monteroy). I don't even bother debunking these morons, there's nothing going on upstairs with them. And this is just another example of why: myocarditis in infected and detected covid in 20 year olds vs myocarditis in the vaccine population are two wildly different things. Two reasons:

- We're vaccing natural immunity who are already immune.
- The odds of catching covid are <20%/year, while it seems like 2 boosters will be needed per year (200% incidence of vaccine per year)

When you add it all up you come to the same numbers as the study. But of course this is far beyond these imbeciles to ever grasp.

You certainly chose the best option when dealing with people you could not defeat in a debate. Running away is always what I suggest to people like you, because it is the correct choice. Assuming you are being honest about it - congrats on making that choice that best fits who you are in this thread.

Nice to see you bonding with someone you dismissed as a quack before, so perhaps you are trying to finally make some progress in finding at least one other poster who will follow you and what you say as you constantly abandon past failed messaging in favor of new stuff (that likely will also fail). I would ask what he has posted in the past that you agree with, but so far you have only used him as a source of comfort when needing to complain about me and others. The two of you are a good match in that regard so I wish the two of you a happy journey together.

You don't.

That was in the Tien mold and purposely so. What Tien established and no one called him on was his insistence that it does not matter if something is 100% opinion or not accurate, and you call it fact. It is great if it rustles you that it is called fact.

So sorry for you, but if you don't like it take up the Tien rule with him.

LOL

Don't worry. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. I have you on ignore anyway, because your posts are worthless.

I only unblocked you temporarily for a laugh.

Biden claims every company with over 100 employees has to lay off its unvaccinated workforce. Almost half of US adults are unvaccinated.

US equity markets shrug it off.

Do people still think these market prices have any actual basis in reality?

Chuck Todd talked about a new poll this morning which has 52% of Americans opposing the vaccine mandate.

Mandaters vs. Nonmandaters is probably a fairer assessment than vaxxers vs. antivax.

This is from Sept 3 so things may have shifted since then, it shows a majority in favor of vaccine mandates: https://news.gallup.com/poll/354506/...uirements.aspx

The breakdown by political affiliation is pretty crazy.

Why is it crazy? It's exactly what you'd expect on a poll on members of the party of fascism/authoritarianism (Democrats) vs the party of individual liberty and choice (Republicans).

It's too complicated for a single 'vs'

I'm totally pro vaccine. Strongly against mandates in the UK in the current situation except in special cases such as care service where I'm reluctantly in favour.

Also not at all happy with the idea of vaccinating kids unless it's in their medical interest which the case for has clearly not been made as yet.

You won't because Cuepee is a worthless poster.

I have proven him wrong maybe a dozen times and just last week he has the audacity to say he is never wrong. A man hitting nearly 60 goes on the internet to say he is never wrong, laughable. It means he is wrong all the time and is clueless about it.

A total worthless poster. Nothing is new.

It was delicious to see Cuepee expose himself as a spineless hypocrite that got blasted.

Biden has zero way of enforcing this. None. That's why corporations don't care.

There is no federal mechanism to force employers to check for vaccination levels.

And the "punishment" is near impossible to implement.

How do we calculate vaccine NNTV to prevent 1 death of a 13 year old male?