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06-30-2021 , 11:12 PM

#15276

BilldaCat

adept

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 750

Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

So where is the panic porn?

slow down and give Shuffle a few minutes

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07-01-2021 , 10:54 AM

#15277

revots33

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Quote:

In a sign of how lethal the variant has become, both Russia and Indonesia reported record one-day death tolls, according to local media. It was Russia’s fourth straight day of record numbers and officials are launching a booster program even though most Russians have not yet have their first shots.

The World Health Organization’s regional director for Europe said a 10-week decline in COVID cases has come to an end. Hans Kluge told reporters that infections rose 10% last week, the Guardian reported, which he said was due to relaxed restrictions on movement and increased travel, including for the Euro 2020 soccer tournament.

Nearly 2,000 people who live in Scotland have attended a Euro 2020 event while infectious with COVID-19, with many attending their group stage match against England in London on June 18, Scottish authorities said on Wednesday, according to Reuters. It’s not just crowded stadiums that are the problem, but also the transportation that carries fans to matches, and pubs and restaurants where they gather afterward.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/de...ak-11625150182

07-01-2021 , 11:20 AM

#15278

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 27,951

If people wanted to panic porn they would be all over the Eta variant, which according to the numbers posted by bobbyJ is much more lethal than Alpha or Delta.

I guess we are just lucky that variant isnt as transmissible.

I wonder if there is trade off between transmissibility and lethality.

07-01-2021 , 02:15 PM

#15279

Howard Treesong

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Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13,738

Quote:

Originally Posted by BilldaCat

slow down and give Shuffle a few minutes

You mean Shuffle McDoomPorn, right?

07-01-2021 , 03:39 PM

#15280

bobbyJ

banned

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 398

Lol. If you guys want real panic porn just go to the VAERS website. Take a look at the numbers. And then realise that it is estimated that only 10% of the actual numbers are reported.

If that doesn't scare the **** out of you nothing will.

07-01-2021 , 03:42 PM

#15281

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 27,951

Yes that is real panic porn.

07-01-2021 , 04:12 PM

#15282

bobbyJ

banned

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 398

Another interesting little factoid to digest. Australia has recorded more deaths this year from covid vaccine reactions than from covid.

And they have very low vaccination rates.

Last edited by bobbyJ; 07-01-2021 at 04:27 PM.

07-01-2021 , 04:25 PM

#15283

bbfg

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 12,264

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyJ

Another interesting little factoid to digest. Australia has recorded more deaths this year from covid vaccine reactions than from covid.

They've recorded 1 official death from C19 in 2021.

07-01-2021 , 04:28 PM

#15284

bobbyJ

banned

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 398

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbfg

They've recorded 1 official death from C19 in 2021.

And 2 from vaccinations.

07-01-2021 , 05:06 PM

#15285

TheJacob

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,867

Tbf that's how the press writes stories.

Two doses of vaccine is 88% effective against delta!

One dose is....less effective. Then a quote from Fauci about how all vaccines are basically the same. IRRC CNN actually quoted him as saying pfizer/moderna/astrazeneca are all 88% effective.

07-01-2021 , 06:52 PM

#15286

Monteroy

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 16,720

Your hyperinflation panic porn is more entertaining. Just saying.

All the best.

07-01-2021 , 09:20 PM

#15287

bobbyJ

banned

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 398

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5 south

Yeah, I started following this guy like a week ago. Basically he's like omg everybody mask up or we're all going to die. Masks are our only hope.

It is crazy how so many people really think if everyone would just start wearing masks the whole thing would be over and done with and god forbid you say a mask ain't doing **** for you if you're indoor for more than 15min or whatever. You're then immediately labeled as an antimask Trumper.

The guy is a total clown. It's incredible how people fall for that stuff.

The whole face diaper fiasco is a great illustration of the sheer incompetence of certain "experts" and the gullibility of many members of the general public. Face diapers do not work period, and in actual fact are harming people especially children. That has been proven yet these idiots just double down on the lunacy. If we have learnt one thing from this pandemic, it is how dumb the human race is. It truly is scary.

07-01-2021 , 10:54 PM

#15288

chezlaw

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Maybe not time to panic too much. They used a lot of sinovac so two weeks from 2nd jab may be less than 30% effective and only 56% after 4 weeks. Basically useless after just one jab.

Quote:

A study of the Sinovac rollout by the University of Chile reported that the vaccine was 56.5% effective two weeks after second doses were administered in the country. However, they also reported that one dose was just 3% effective (risig to 27.7% within two weeks of the second dose, and 56.5% two weeks later)

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n969

They made ther classic "non-cuck" mistake of getting jabbed and partying like it was over.

07-01-2021 , 10:59 PM

#15289

chezlaw

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AZ was mostly given later so when were they vaccinated. How protected were they and/or were they already infected?

07-01-2021 , 11:09 PM

#15290

chezlaw

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Fair point, I may be wrong but I read they started with Sinovac which implies others came later. It was also reported that they opened up really fast which given how poor at least one of their vaccines would have been at protecting people was guaranteeing trouble.

That's not to ignore the potential danger of the beta variant. Just not sure the Seychelles example is telling us very much yet. The raw data isn't raw emough - when were they vaccinated? Are they at the oldest/frailest or more representative? Did they all die of covid or just test positive within weeks before dieing?

07-01-2021 , 11:18 PM

#15291

chezlaw

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As an aside. I keep reading

Quote:

Covishield, a version of the AstraZeneca

What does 'a version' mean here.

07-02-2021 , 12:54 AM

#15292

tarheels2222

Sweet Carolina

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 18,026

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

It's going to be a **** show everywhere except maybe where the population is loaded up on the mRNA vaccines. Maybe their efficacy is overstated against the variants too, but if they hold up, you have to ask yourself: what's the trade-off? Or is there none? It's either a miracle cure, or it's doing weird things to people's bodies they are going to regret in a few years (unless they are old/unhealthy, in which case it's live for today, no time for tomorrow).

Maybe a meteor will hit Earth tomorrow and it won’t matter.

07-02-2021 , 12:56 AM

#15293

nutella virus

banned

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,622

Covishield, in europe, recognized by only 9 european countries. Is it not the same juice as the euro made astrazeneca

07-02-2021 , 02:13 AM

#15294

Elrazor

losing momentum

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 14,573

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Seychelles is even more vaccinated than Israel and the U.K. (Sinopharm and AstraZeneca vaccines)

They have some of the highest case numbers per population in the world anytime during the pandemic May-June, higher death rate than peak death rate in the U.S., almost as high as peak death rate in the U.K., and they are in a tropical climate battling the beta variant (not delta variant, which is worse).

It's going to be a **** show everywhere except maybe where the population is loaded up on the mRNA vaccines. Maybe their efficacy is overstated against the variants too, but if they hold up, you have to ask yourself: what's the trade-off? Or is there none? It's either a miracle cure, or it's doing weird things to people's bodies they are going to regret in a few years (unless they are old/unhealthy, in which case it's live for today, no time for tomorrow).

In 5 years time we will probably be able to trace the zombie apocalypse to this exact island.

07-02-2021 , 03:30 AM

#15295

nutella virus

banned

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,622

The world needs lunatics like shuffle just like it needs brainwashed media gazing sheep

Is there immediate buyers remorse for viral vector and will the "hyper effective" mrna bring post purchase dissonance. These are questions you numbers nerds need to ask

07-02-2021 , 03:58 PM

#15296

bobbyJ

banned

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 398

Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

I think you are overstating it. He is saying Delta is much more infectious than original strain (true). He is also saying being younger or in good physical shape is not a guarantee of protection from illness (also true). He is also recommending vaccination as the best means to avoid illness from the much more contagious variant (hardly a controversial position).

So where is the panic porn?

I'd say the panic porn is the breathless tweets about the exceedingly rare serious reactions to the vaccine.

But at any rate if people don't want the vaccine no one is forcing them. But you can't really blame a doctor for recommending it.

Well, I can actually because that doctor is lying. Going to the gym and eating a healthy diet is far wiser advice to give a young adult or adolescent than telling them to take an experimental vaccine. Being overweight is probably the highest risk factor for covid by far in people under 60. If you are young and not obese the risk from covid is almost zero. The risk/reward ratio in favor of diet and exercise over vaccination is is not even debatable.

It's called a no-brainer.

07-02-2021 , 04:03 PM

#15297

ToothSayer

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Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 13,237

People are cucks and behavior is quite reliable so weight loss has a very low success rate. If a prescription to diet and exercise worked then your point would be valid.

07-02-2021 , 04:13 PM

#15298

bobbyJ

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Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 398

Fair point if you are talking about overweight people only. But that doctor was talking about all young people. Maybe these doctors/experts should modify their advice then. Instead of blanket rcommending vaccination to all young people they should qualify it more towards higher risk groups. e.g Higher BMI individuals.

Recommending vaccination for healthy non-obese young people makes no sense at all.

Last edited by bobbyJ; 07-02-2021 at 04:28 PM.

07-02-2021 , 05:10 PM

#15299

bobbyJ

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The obesity factor cannot be overstated. It is by far and away the biggest risk factor in the under 60 age groups.

Quote:

In April, British researchers published a definitive paper on the subject in The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology, a peer-reviewed journal. The researchers examined the medical records of almost 7 million people in England to look at the link between obesity and severe outcomes from Covid, including hospitalization and death.

The topline findings show only a moderate link between extra weight and Covid risk. But when the researchers looked more closely, they found that’s because in older people, being overweight does NOT drive excess risk.

So the researchers divided the patients into four age ranges: 20-39, 40-59, 60-79, and over 80. They found that in the two younger groups - including adults up to age 60 - being obese was associated with nearly ALL the risk that Covid would lead to intensive care or death. The findings held even after they adjusted for many different potential confounding factors, like smoking, non-weight-related illnesses, and wealth.

The excess risk was extremely high even for people who weren’t morbidly obese - defined as a body-mass index of 40 or more. A person between 40 and 60 with a BMI of 35 - someone who is 230 pounds and 5’8” - had about five times the risk of dying of Covid of a person of normal weight. For younger adults, the excess risk was even higher, and for morbidly obese people even higher still.

In contrast, people of normal weight under 40 are at essentially no risk of death from Covid. The researchers found their rate to be under 1 in 10,000 per year. Even in the 40 to 59 age range, normal-weight adults had an annual risk well under 1 in 1,000.

The researchers did not include those stunning findings in the main body of the paper, only its appendix. Still, they were clear in their discussion about the overall results:

“Our findings from this large population-based cohort emphasise that excess weight is associated with substantially increased risks of severe COVID-19 outcomes, and one of the most important modifiable risk factors identified to date.”

In fact, the findings suggest that for people under 60, weight loss would be the single best way to reduce the risk of Covid - probably even more than a vaccine (and with no side effects).

But of course you haven’t heard about this paper.

No one has. The public health establishment has decided that an honest discussion of who is really at risk from Covid might smack of victim-blaming - just as it did a generation ago with HIV.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...d-is-like-aids

Last edited by bobbyJ; 07-02-2021 at 05:31 PM.