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02-08-2020 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
Guys everyone take a deep breath, inhale, breath out. Then again have a look at that site. It's sooo waaaay over the top. I mean the basic idea does make sense in some ways, but it's so freaking way over the top.

I saw an entry 45$ with Adress and everything. Are u serious?

Have u ever seen someone steel smt from a shop for 40$ and then beeing dedoxed on the web? No. There is a reason for it. Also who says all these scammers did really scam etc.

Site without someone legitemitly controlling it, is way over the top.

I mean it's really beyond over the top. Also believe won't stay online for long. EU got harsh data privacy laws.

@op if what u wrote is true I whish u all the best, and don't try to argue with the toxic people here.
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02-08-2020 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by obeythelaw
Bro let me be clear, i loan money, I am owed money, i borrowed money and alwayssss returned every ****ing cent. There were two instances in my life where i did not return the money. First was situation where i felt I was completely played and actually lost longterm life ev. The second situation is this, and it happened during mental breakdown where i went to mental hospital the next day. The only reason i still havent pay this one out was that after treatment i tried to block every memory of 2017, i was immediatelly down to pay this one, despite being outed. I am way more reliable than most people, that is why i take it personal so much. It may not seem so because of the situation but i have high moral standards and I will always do what is right in the end.

Btw i respect you a lot omgclaydoll, i always have
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02-08-2020 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
Guys, quick question. Here we are talking abt an amout of 200$. What will you do if it would have been 20k$? Hang the guy publicly and take his family into prison? Stone him like they do in sharia states or just behead him right away?

In no way iam defending scamming but man at one point there should be a line drawn.

Make the site have a minimum scam amount or smt. like everything 5k+, with people beeing contacted and harrassed to pay back multiple times and they didnt reply or smt.

I did some staking in the past, on both sites of the line, beeing staked and staked people and from my experience i can see that there are also a bunch of stakers out there, who are just insanly greedy.

If you are ill and cannot work, you go to the doctor and get a voucher. When you are staked and youre ill and cannot play bad backers will try to force you play and if u decline will threaten u. Thats not ok, but barely anyone talks abt this kind of stuff.

I also think there are a lot of warning signs before u stake someone, but greedy backers ignore them. Very often people come and ask for a staking, when you check their playing history, like sharkscope, you see them constantly playing a certain buyin with good results. Then they still ask for a staking, due to the fact that they blasted their bankroll in eg cashgames, and the main reason for that is not what you guys call tilt, its gambling addiction.

Still backers will greatfully take these players, knowing that they might blast away again, but in their head they think "i can just put the guy on a site to threaten to get my money back"

Thats morally very questionable, caus youre basiclly enhancing an illness trying to benefit a bit from it. Imo never stake anyone with this kind of playing history. Make sure u have a sane, healty person playing. Before agreeing to a staking have multiple talks etc. But in the modern age staking many staking buisnesses dont do this.

peace.
There can be bad backing. And that's exactly what seems to be the case here.
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02-08-2020 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
But what backer did was even wronger.
Op was the wrongest.
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02-08-2020 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
There can be bad backing. And that's exactly what seems to be the case here.
And what difference makes that?! If a deal is bad you shouldn't agree on it in the first place, once you agreed on it....well, a deal is a deal. Having agreed on a bad deal is no justification for misappropriating/stealing 200 bucks.
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02-08-2020 , 02:07 PM
Agree with ratslla, this thread is an excellent resource for finding people to never do business with going forward

Theft is theft regardless of backstory
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02-08-2020 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FR-Nit
And what difference makes that?! If a deal is bad you shouldn't agree on it in the first place, once you agreed on it....well, a deal is a deal. Having agreed on a bad deal is no justification for misappropriating/stealing 200 bucks.
and that kind of thinking is exactly what is wrong with our world.

business and greed and business again, do you realize that there is a human compound in this?

there was a life destroyed, becuase the backer made a mistake.

To sum it all up:
Backer chose wrong horse
Horse goes on mental breakdown bc of backers mistake
Horse doent want to pay back 200 dollars bc he felt " entlitled"
Backer ruins rest of horses life bc of 200 dollars?

Who is at fault here honestly?

Last edited by washoe; 02-08-2020 at 02:38 PM.
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02-08-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cheeseisgood
$0.01-$0.99: harsh stares and eye rolls.
$1-$19.99: yelling, hurtful insults, and threats of telling their mother.
$20-$499.99: public shaming, death threats, and face slapping.
$500-$999.99: moderate beatings.
$1k+: sharia law.

*family members who cosigned on the deal may also be held accountable.
$200 Posting photo ID of ex friend and horse on the internet, to permanently cripple his life,
doesnt matter if horse went on mental breakdown, couldnt work, due to bad business decision of backer. backer is always in the right no matter what. (even if he is a mad lunatic)
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02-08-2020 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
To sum it all up:
Backer chose wrong horse
Horse goes on mental breakdown bc of backers mistake
Horse doent want to pay back 200 dollars bc he felt " entlitled"
Backer ruins rest of horses life bc of 200 dollars?

Who is at fault here honestly?
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02-08-2020 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe

To sum it all up:
Backer chose wrong horse Correct, see outcome.
Horse goes on mental breakdown bc of backers mistake Nope, OP's breakdown has nothing to do with the backer making a mistake.
Horse doent want to pay back 200 dollars bc he felt " entlitled" Which he is obv not.
Backer ruins rest of horses life bc of 200 dollars? There are countries on this planet where 200$ is a monthly pay. There are even a lot of countries where people would be happy to have those 200 bucks in a month. Are you aware of that?!

Who is at fault here honestly? LOL, do you really want to imply it's the fault of the staker?!
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02-08-2020 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
$200 Posting photo ID of ex friend and horse on the internet, to permanently cripple his life,
doesnt matter if horse went on mental breakdown, couldnt work, due to bad business decision of backer. backer is always in the right no matter what. (even if he is a mad lunatic)
you are looking at this the wrong way. when his life is permanently crippled another persons life is uncrippled since the job still has to be filled. why should an employer have to hire an untrustworthy and unstable person in ignorance? not everyone can be a lawyer. somebody has to clean up the bathrooms.
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02-08-2020 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Actually Lold
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02-08-2020 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
me too lold!!. and thats exactly how I felt.
Its not black and white everything just as op said.
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02-09-2020 , 01:05 AM
I deleted a series of posts and links since I have no idea if any of that was real or fake. Even if the link was real I would still probably delete the posts from this thread.
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02-09-2020 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I deleted a series of posts and links since I have no idea if any of that was real or fake. Even if the link was real I would still probably delete the posts from this thread.
Oh c'mon, was really looking forward to the $1,400 scam vs $200 arguments and whether that was essentially the same because $200 goes a lot further in eastern Europe
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02-09-2020 , 07:52 AM
PLOT TWIST: OP is a paid shill or owner of pokerscam.rip using this thread to drum up business by acting like a moronic scumbag.
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02-09-2020 , 08:38 AM
This is surely illegal right?
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02-09-2020 , 09:28 AM
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Who is it that you owe the money to? Name of stable would be helpful so that you can resolve it, I'm sure someone knows them in here or how to get a hold of someone.
This is important. We need a list of people who are capable of criminal actions as revenge for 200$ stolen so we know who to avoid doing any kind of business with. it doesn't matter if 200$ was really stolen or not. If they think someone owes them in the future they will retaliate instead of going to mediation or court. Doing business with them is just too high risk unless you are desperate (which I guess OP was).

As to the OP I think the only interesting question is what you can really do about it. Write a letter to the domain registrar threatening legal action? Ask Google to remove the search results? (If you are in EU they will because the right to be forgotten thing). Anything else?
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02-09-2020 , 09:56 AM
This thread is why no one should stake nowadays. All these ****ing losing players siding with the obvious scammer over the guys who gave him an opportunity he otherwise wouldn't have had and which he abused.

"It's only $200" is the most ******ed argument in this thread. Maybe don't steal even $1, how about that?
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02-09-2020 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
and that kind of thinking is exactly what is wrong with our world.

business and greed and business again, do you realize that there is a human compound in this?

there was a life destroyed, becuase the backer made a mistake.

To sum it all up:
Backer chose wrong horse
Horse goes on mental breakdown bc of backers mistake
Horse doent want to pay back 200 dollars bc he felt " entlitled"
Backer ruins rest of horses life bc of 200 dollars?

Who is at fault here honestly?
You make a number of assertions that are untrue. A life was not destroyed because of the backer. The thief destroyed his own life because of theft, and his refusal to make amends. You also take the scammer on his word that he tried to pay his debt and the staker has blocked him. Highly unusual. The only reason a staker would block the stakee and prevent himself from receiving repayment is bizarre or hostile behavior from OP, perhaps this has more to do with his inability to find steady employment than an obscure website.

It is absurd to believe anyone had a mental breakdown over a small stake. It is more absurd to claim that a backer caused the horse to have a mental breakdown because he received a small stake.
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02-09-2020 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
This thread is why no one should stake nowadays. All these ****ing losing players siding with the obvious scammer over the guys who gave him an opportunity he otherwise wouldn't have had and which he abused.

"It's only $200" is the most ******ed argument in this thread. Maybe don't steal even $1, how about that?
Yeah, the poor backers. Surely they do it for charity, not to make a bunch of money and kill the games in the process. Stables should die out.
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02-09-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
This thread is why no one should stake nowadays. All these ****ing losing players siding with the obvious scammer over the guys who gave him an opportunity he otherwise wouldn't have had and which he abused.

"It's only $200" is the most ******ed argument in this thread. Maybe don't steal even $1, how about that?
Many people coming with this same strawman. It’s not about OP paying back the 200. Absolutely he should. The question is whether it’s ok to allow this unregulated, predatory website to publish people’s information as a form of vigilante justice. Especially since there is no way to know whether any of the other claims on the site are legitimate or not.
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02-09-2020 , 03:45 PM
Its probably not "OK" for that type of website, but the reality is that website did nothing close to what the OP claimed in his rambling, bizarre mixture of claims. That site did not ruin his life, he did with his choices.

Does that mean that website is "OK?" Not really, and I suspect most backers (contrary to what the always cheery Kelvis would say) would avoid throwaway sites like that, as they do nothing, and in the end they are not entirely "OK," and they even make people who steal seem relatively sympathetic.

Debating about that website is fine, and threads have been done discussing what details should be posted about people who steal and cheat, and that has led to some changes with some backers that in my opinion were going too far with their postings (ie: Facebook pictures featuring other people, addresses etc).

That debate has nothing to do with this OP, who has long since vanished (as OPs do in threads like this). This OP stole money, and is now making clearly absurd claims about the impact that theft had on his life, and he puts all the blame on others. The website his name is on (assuming it even is - who knows what is truth from that guy) did not force him to make all the poor life choices he made (as an adult) that got him where he is today.
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02-09-2020 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Its probably not "OK" for that type of website, but the reality is that website did nothing close to what the OP claimed in his rambling, bizarre mixture of claims. That site did not ruin his life, he did with his choices.

Does that mean that website is "OK?" Not really, and I suspect most backers (contrary to what the always cheery Kelvis would say) would avoid throwaway sites like that, as they do nothing, and in the end they are not entirely "OK," and they even make people who steal seem relatively sympathetic.

Debating about that website is fine, and threads have been done discussing what details should be posted about people who steal and cheat, and that has led to some changes with some backers that in my opinion were going too far with their postings (ie: Facebook pictures featuring other people, addresses etc).

That debate has nothing to do with this OP, who has long since vanished (as OPs do in threads like this). This OP stole money, and is now making clearly absurd claims about the impact that theft had on his life, and he puts all the blame on others. The website his name is on (assuming it even is - who knows what is truth from that guy) did not force him to make all the poor life choices he made (as an adult) that got him where he is today.
I agree. And only if op told us the absolute truth his behaviour is somewhat defendable.

I somehow doubt his claims now since he said 2 buy ins, which would mean 2x 100= 200, then changes to 7 dollar regular. It all makes little sense...
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02-09-2020 , 07:27 PM
The only thing I feel is really absurd here is people who can see this only one way. That any horse, no matter what the situation, is subject to whatever information publishing the staker chooses. Or that no one, no matter what they've done, should ever have information published. Now admittedly perhaps those are a couple of straw men - I don't know if any went to those extremes. But there have been a few people that have gone pretty far out there on both sides. Not everything is black and white, nor should it be.

In this specific situation, if everything is as OP describes (and that's a BIG if), obviously there's a problem here. At the very least, there needs to be some way for a person to clear their name. And whether the information should have been published in the first place, I'd want to have more information before deciding. I'm far from convinced that we have the whole story here. Even if OP is being 100% truthful with everything he has said, there could be missing information. And he and the staker may have different stories to tell even when both are being honest.

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This is surely illegal right?
What is?

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Originally Posted by washoe
I agree. And only if op told us the absolute truth his behaviour is somewhat defendable.

I somehow doubt his claims now since he said 2 buy ins, which would mean 2x 100= 200, then changes to 7 dollar regular. It all makes little sense...
Perhaps there's a lesson here, not to jump all in on one side of a dispute that none of us know the whole story about. And this isn't directed at you alone; it's something a lot of people like to do.
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