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07-29-2014 , 06:54 PM

#3076

Jigsaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUMike1999

Yeah this will be my last post in this thread going forward, at least for a very very long while.

When this thread was started almost 5 weeks ago, I made a decision to post my "2nd half" life story as a way to explain what led up to me going to airports, getting in trouble with the law as well as my homelessness and gambling degeneracy. I wanted to do something different in these kinds of threads, as the vast majority of them usually are people stating their opinions about the person with the "focal point" nowhere to be found. I answered questions, explained day by day activities for a while of what I was doing - heck even mentioned my burning desire to play the monster stack which I ended up playing.

Unfortunately, as a few others on here have recently mentioned - this thread has turned into something I no longer want to participate in. It's the same 5-6 people on here that come on attacking me, insulting me, trolling me, whatever term you want to use. At 1st I got defensive and tried to defend myself but it just has become repetitive and unproductive. Those 5-6 know all - they are experts and emphasize in nearly every post what a scumbag I am. Fine and go ahead and keep doing it - I won't be a part of it anymore because no matter what I decide to do with my life(GA, poker tournaments, rehabs, relapsing, etc...) I will be insulted. Not healthy to read and not healthy to go back and forth about it.

A quick couple of last points before I sign off from this thread - 1) I do from the bottom of my heart appreciate all the positive feedback/advice and well-wishes from all you guys who have done that. I have tried to answer all the pm's and have even sent a few unsolicited ones on my own. Someone mentioned today about my last "activity" on 2+2 today - for the record, I was off 2+2 for the 1st 4 days this past week and logged on a couple of times today, yesterday and Friday to answer pm's and do a quick read of the thread. Going forward I will no longer read the thread at all(except on the extremely rare occasion I decide to post something new) since the same 5-6 guys have essentially hijacked it. Message to JMan220, Yapping Yoda, Harkin, VPIP, Ihavethewheel and golfnutt - the floor is all yours - continue your attacks, analysis, description of my poker playing, my dying in jail, etc... have at it!!!

2)I am leaning towards taking up an offer of poker tournament staking on a part/semi-regular basis. This person believes(like Mike Sica) that I can make money at tournaments and will help me stay away from the pits. I also spoke with Allen and he said he would hold my money if I hit a score. I trust Allen 110%. I have also begun writing a book about my FULL LIFE - childhood all the way to present day. It will include a ton more stories of all the crazy stuff that has happened to me - as well as more details of the airport thing(how much I averaged a day, biggest amount made in 1 day, best airports to go to, etc...) I have been talking with someone recently in publishing who has contacts and 1 of the contacts read my story and was engrossed. He thinks the book will sell as well as a screenplay. We shall see.

Anyways, the haters I'm sure will have at least a few days of fun with this last post of mine("I'll never give Allen the money to hold if I win", "who would want to stake me", "he stinks as a player", "he is a scumbag", "if he pms you he is gonna use you as a mark", etc...) all the usual stuff.

1 last thing - have to state for the record though that the guy that gave me $500 at an airport almost 1 1/2 years ago was paid back in full 3 months later. I western unioned him the money. I'm sure some won't believe it but it is true.

I also will be doing an interview for a national publication online(bigger than Deadspin) in the near future. Stay tuned.

He is still lurking:

PSUMike1999
Last Activity: Today 01:35 PM

07-29-2014 , 07:09 PM

#3077

rakemeplz

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"I have also begun writing a book about my FULL LIFE - childhood all the way to present day. It will include a ton more stories of all the crazy stuff that has happened to me - as well as more details of the airport thing(how much I averaged a day, biggest amount made in 1 day, best airports to go to, etc...) I have been talking with someone recently in publishing who has contacts and 1 of the contacts read my story and was engrossed. He thinks the book will sell as well as a screenplay. We shall see."

Why gee, I just don't know how anyone could hate this loveable, cuddly, scamming salamander. I guess some people just enjoy hating on others on the internet, best of luck mike!

07-29-2014 , 07:37 PM

#3078

PokerFan2008

adept

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,091

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerFan2008

With Mike gone from this thread. all that is left is trolls posting to other trolls….lol……well, except for me……...

07-29-2014 , 08:23 PM

#3079

rakemeplz

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Borovetz do you have any intentions/resolve towards never scamming people at airports or whatever ever again?

What are you going to do with the proceeds from you books impending sale (which seems like it could be a big success)?

Eagerly awaiting your answers,

rakemeplz.

07-29-2014 , 08:25 PM

#3080

johnzimbo

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,805

There is a screenplay in the works already. My brother's boss's nephew knows a guy who is writing it, and one scene got leaked-

Scene- Mike and his sponsor attend his third GA meeting.

Camera scans a large conference room in the basement of a church. A few people are seated while others stand around in groups of 2-3 chatting. Camera pans to find Mike and his sponsor standing by the snack table talking quietly so nobody else can hear. Mike notices a skinny man walk into the room and take a seat.

Mike- "Hey, is that Chino Reem?"
Sponsor- "No man, that's not him"
Mike- "Dang, I was hoping he would stake me"
Sponsor- "Mike, look, you really need to stop thinking about gambling completely. Don't even think about trying to find someone to back you"
Mike- "But I just need one big score so..."

They are interrupted by an attractive woman who is standing at the front of the room. "Can I get everyone to take a seat please. Who would like to share first?"

Mike steps forward. "I will". He gets to the front of the room and turns to face the assemblage. "My name is Mike and I am a compulsive gambler and scam artist"

Group in unison- "Hi Mike"

Mike- "Since my last meeting I have tried not to gamble, but I was too weak and I failed. See, I went to the casino last night, not to gamble but just to use the last $12 in food comps I had...and on the way to the restaurant I passed the poker room. I had every intention of walking right on by, but there was an old man working the floor (he used to work at the Rio) and I heard him say "seat open 2-5 no limit holdem".

"I tried to keep on walking but a little voice in my head said 'Mike...check out the table' so I did, and the table looked SO SOFT. 4 calling stations, 3 French tourists and 2 rich fish! So I had to sit down and take everyone's mannies. But, the dealer was a M@@%er F@**ing ****** son of a *****, so I lost. That dealer was so unlucky for me!"

Camera pans to Mike's sponsor who rushes up to grab Mike and starts dragging Mike out the side door. As Mike is being dragged out he yells "I'll be back for tomorrow night's meeting, but wish me luck in the Deepstack tourney tonight!"

07-29-2014 , 10:40 PM

#3081

sox34

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jigsaw

He is still lurking:

PSUMike1999
Last Activity: Today 01:35 PM

Does this surprise anyone? What else is he going to do? He hasn't had a piece of ass in 15 years so he has extra time on his hands, pun intended. Don't know how that's even possible or why he would even share it. This guy is really the saddest, most degenerate, lonely, pathetic, homeless, friendless guy I have ever seen. Sad tale of a sad man. And he thinks people would shell out their hard earned cash to read a book about him!

07-29-2014 , 11:10 PM

#3082

TrustyRombone

banned

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 897

Borevetz. Your life brings me great joy.

07-30-2014 , 12:03 PM

#3083

e1cnr

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,042

maybe could get a job with Adelson preaching / saying how online poker screwed up his life

07-30-2014 , 03:09 PM

#3084

ihavethewheel

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 216

Book? Screenplay? ... Absolutely pathetic.

07-30-2014 , 09:27 PM

#3085

hs3c

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 760

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihavethewheel

Book? Screenplay? ... Absolutely pathetic.

Brian Molony (Owning Mahowny) >>>>> this fool

07-31-2014 , 07:21 PM

#3086

kick2dante

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how gross will it be if this guy gets rich off of the fact that he was able to scam hundreds of thousands off people and give it all to casinos

only one group of people would end up happy if this book/movie makes money.... casino owners

07-31-2014 , 07:22 PM

#3087

Tommy_Tomich969

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,001

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvardjay

PSUMike1999:
1. You started the thread. I'm certain that you anticipated some blowback. Thus, there's no reason for you to be disappointed. The positive and negative input is going to come. To think anything different means you were delusional. Either read the thread regularly or do not. Jumping into the thread only to say "this is your last time" comes across as very suspect. And, my assumption is that you do not want to continually pile on to your suspect reputation.

2. You solicited money from total strangers w/ a concocted story. You flat out purposefully deceived people. Whether you intended to pay them back OR did in fact pay some of them back is besides the point. I do not think you are understanding that simple logic. Or, maybe you are ... and still having fun with it. The first problem is not failing to pay back. The main problem is that you lied to get money out of people. The failure to payback comes later.

3. Your turnaround plan is insane. You seem to have led a normal, healthy life. You even have an engineering degree which, in today's climate, is a valuable asset. Technical skills and credentials are so valuable. All things appear to have started downhill due to gambling - including poker. Separating pit games and sports wagering with poker is silly. For you, the two are one in the same. Like an engineered system, both feed the other. And, yet, your turnaround plan is to get staked or backed so you can continue to waste your hours and days away doing the same thing that has brought you to this position in life.

4. Anonymity is not only a good thing but also vital to recuperation and rehabilitation. In any walk of life, a person who is trying to turn things around immediately goes anonymous. Going anonymous is not just being silent while repairs are made. Some people even move to a new state or country. Some people change jobs or even circle of friends. Others go far as to even breakup marriages with the hopes that the future will have a chance to turn course. However, you are a person who claims to want a turnaround but chosen the reverse course of anonymity. Baffling.

5. Like a Ponzi scheme, it always appears that there will be no end to the long line of (new) marks that will fall into your trap. I say trap loosely here since you may or may not consciously be looking to deceive people going forward. Maybe it is calculated or not - I do think part of dysfunction is that you are not able to identify what you are doing as it is a hard reality to confront or recognize. But, at what cost? With every negative thing you do to others, you are piling on more and more emotional debt. It's not just the money debt that will be destructive. The emotional debt you carry (from shame, guilt, anger, and so on) both internalized and applied from people will get heavy to the point you no longer can withstand it. If it has not crept in already, this feeling will lead to self loathing which, in turn, will lead to irrational (and destructive) choices.

To conclude, it is never ever too late to turn your life around. But, you have to escape or run away from your current self. I'll share a story near and dear to me ...

I knew a guy ... yes, a real living, breathing guy. He dropped out of school after being a straight arrow student through h.s. He went to an Ivy league university. In his 20s, he gambled a lot. Many relationships were strained. He, too, borrowed or took money from friends and family. He always thought things would get better. Finally, after years of this kind of life he hit a wall. Won't share details of why he hit the wall. But, he hit it hardcore.

Then, his life really turned around. But, it took nearly 15 years to realize that he had made it full circle. In his late 20s, he got a job just above entry level. I believe his salary was about $25-30k or thereabouts. He worked extremely hard. Working 70-80 work weeks for 4 years. Eventually, he ended up getting another job that not only paid better but gave him a chance to work alongside people who would later help him on his way to the top.

In his 30s, he became a middle manager at a startup. He worked another 3 years before the company was acquired for a ton of money. He made enough cash from this endeavor to buy a home in cash, get married to a co-worker, and have a child. He then spent the next half decade moving up to become the Executive VP at a large, $multi-billion NYSE traded tech company. His salary is now near $500k per year with an additional $3M per annum in restricted stock units and other comp. He is now in his early 40s.

At one point, all of us (his close friends) thought he would jump off a bridge or do something scary. He sometimes looked zoned out. However, we tried to take him out a lot. We figured that the more time he spends wasting time with us, the less time he has to himself to compound his worries and sorrows (AND, stay away from gambling). Looking back, we're still amazed at the transformation. But, ever since he got that low paying job, things got brighter. In hindsight, that propelled him to who he is today. He stopped playing poker and gambling. Years later, he told us that he could go play poker during a trade show trip for his company and not worry about bad memories.

When we asked him what just snapped? He said it was spending time and looking at his small time job and seeing some small sliver of hope in it.

So, go and get yourself friends who can take you away from the casinos and card clubs - not TO it.

And, get a job even if it feels beneath you. The job itself or the salary is not what is important. The job is a proxy - nothing more. It is a proxy for showing you that there is something you can start to build upon. And, since you are in your 30s or 40s (I don't know) you may easily dismiss redemption as being "Too late for me." It is never too late.

If I did not see it with my own eyes, I'd be pessimistic that you could turn it around given your track record. But, I saw it happen. The critical thing though is that it happened with specific, unwavering exceptions.

Don't be an individual LLC that files Chapter 7 bankruptcy only to re-start the same business. Do not do it.

Utter misery and depression comes not from just financial problems. It comes from the self hatred, loss of hope, and ostracization that comes along with it. Get friends. Get a job. That will put you on a path to rebuilding your true self.

If our friend could do it with no job history to leverage nor a college degree, anyone can do it. Maybe not rise up to be a named exec at a publicly held corporation but something nonetheless positive and just good.

Great post. I think getting a job in general is always going to be good for you especially for those like Mike.

I think to play poker for a living, you not only have to be highly intelligent, but you must be emotionally stable and have good support networks as well. Without at least these three attributes, you are doomed to fail.

08-01-2014 , 09:24 PM

#3088

DonkeyQuixote

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,283

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy_Tomich969

"I dreamed I saw Mike B last night,
alive as you and me.
Says I "But Mike, you're ten posts dead"
"I never died" said he,
"I never died" said he.

"The NVG Bosses killed you Mike,
they shot your credibility"
"Takes more than posts to kill a man"
Says Mike "I didn't die"
Says Mike "I didn't die"

"In Las Vegas, Mike" says I,
Him standing by my bed,
"They framed you on a fraud charge,"
Says Mike, "But I ain't dead,"
Says Mike, "But I ain't dead."

I thought I saw Mike B today, alive as he could be.
and smiling with his eyes.
Says Mike "What they can never kill
went on to scam and lie,
went on to scam and lie"

From San Diego up to Maine,
in every airport scene,
Where travelin' folks go catch their flights,
it's there you'll find Mike B,
it's there you'll find Mike B!!!!

08-01-2014 , 10:10 PM

#3089

SrslySirius

Animated Character

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,364

Quote:

Originally Posted by moki

+1, would love to hear a SrslySirius tune about Pai Gow tiles and airport scams.

The particulars of it are funny, but I wouldn't make fun of someone for destroying their life with a gambling addiction.

08-01-2014 , 10:19 PM

#3090

JamesD816

adept

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 994

Good call Sirius, if he turns it around I am sure an epic video from you will be forthcoming.

08-01-2014 , 10:25 PM

#3091

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SrslySirius

The particulars of it are funny, but I wouldn't make fun of someone for destroying their life with a gambling addiction.

If he doesnt care, why should anyone else?

08-01-2014 , 10:36 PM

#3092

MinusEV

Giftastic!

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 12,442

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

If he doesnt care, why should anyone else?

So as long as you can find somebody who doesn't care for something (life,property,values) there's no reason for anyone else to do so either?

08-01-2014 , 10:47 PM

#3093

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Yes, because thats clearly what i meant.....

Mike isnt destroying his life because of a gambling addiction because he loves his life. If Mike was trying to get help, then dont make fun of him. Theres no point in piling on someone who's down and out. Mike isnt though. He's not going to change because he's living exactly the life he wants.

08-01-2014 , 10:51 PM

#3094

LeonardoDicaprio

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 39,918

So... that's what you meant then. Lol

08-02-2014 , 12:10 AM

#3095

tinytim2006

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346

Scan the thread after not reading it for awhile to find out he’s getting staked, writing a book and there could soon be a screenplay. Not bad.

08-02-2014 , 06:35 PM

#3096

Frenbar

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,319

Quote:

Originally Posted by youshameusitalians

I also can't understand how people give, over $5 to a stranger with a bs story.

There's nothing wrong with giving $5 to a stranger, whether or not they have a bs story. Maybe you are amused by the story, maybe you just want to give the money to someone it means more to then it means to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by youshameusitalians

Way too much naivety this is probably why he scams them, if they are that stupid they almost deserve it. I have a feeling that is how Mike views it also.

This is the crux of the problem. Like I said, it's fine to give money to strangers, the ******ed part is thinking that you are going to get it back or assuming that the stranger's story has any basis in reality. As anyone who reads NVG on even a semi regular basis knows, there are lots of people who get ****ed all the time loaning money to people they know and/or have information about their actual identities and places of residence. To expect more from a stranger who approaches you asking for money is simply absurd, but it doesn't mean you can't flip him a sawbuck for his routine.

08-02-2014 , 08:44 PM

#3097

IgotAHuge1

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 229

Behave or i gonna try to scam

08-03-2014 , 12:35 AM

#3098

YappingYoda

banned

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 779

So I wonder which airport Mike is pulling his con in tonight?

08-03-2014 , 07:59 AM

#3099

jayme87

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,713

michael, i really wonder if you have ever been diagnosed with being on the autistic sprectrum, your traits seem to fit my ever so slight diagnosis, you seem very good in your posts, you seem to have an obsessive compulsive disorder aswell including lying and other such things that are bad for your life.

A big reavulation is needed! Your 39 man, you been playing pitts and poker how long now?

Your degen nature is what scares me most, as i have been in them situations playing plo at smaller stakes than you (albeit it killed me inside for a while)

I hope you can turn it around but if you dont want to help yourself who does?

08-03-2014 , 08:09 AM

#3100

CanadaPete

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 525

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinytim2006

Scan the thread after not reading it for awhile to find out he’s getting staked, writing a book and there could soon be a screenplay. Not bad.

michael is still a scammer and a liar so probably exaggerating the book and movie thing.

i mean a movie about a guy who scams 500 a day at the airport than loses it all at paigow and gets no girls???

most depressing movie ever.

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