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Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14 Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14

08-07-2014 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by e1cnr
SouthEastProf, I liked your first post. I do think that your 10 professor working in the psychology department sample is not very random and is biased towards people interested in strange thoughts and behaviours.
This. They would be interested in a man sleeping with sheep.
08-07-2014 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
So Mike PM'd you, huh? Oh, I'm so sorry for doubting you, your word is enough proof to me that you're not Mike. Please except my most heartfelt apology. Have a nice day Mike.
Ok,....You got me. I am gonna create a new account right after I get back from the airport.
08-07-2014 , 02:24 AM
I'm rooting for Mike to be the next rags to riches story. All he's gatta do is scam $20 and double up about 20 times, that's how you become a poker legend right?

The new kids in poker will be like...
08-07-2014 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
Oh, and I really like how you said you watched all the videos, read the whole thread (all 200 plus pages of it), and had 10 psychologist in your department read this and give their opinion on this thread, yet YOU JUST JOINED IT TODAY! So why wait three weeks before joining? Holy crap Mike, stop it already!!! You are truly a pathetic and sad person. If I'm wrong, PM me a copy of your diploma and credentials, and I'll be happy to send you mine, and I'll apologize to you publicly on here.
I read this forum regularly for 3 years b4 I joined
08-07-2014 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ChKRaSiN
I read this forum regularly for 3 years b4 I joined
I'm still waiting for him to PM me. Until then he's full of ****.
08-07-2014 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
I'm still waiting for him to PM me. Until then he's full of ****.
If he just joined the site, he will be unable to PM you for a while. New members do not have PM privileges. This is what happened to me in November when I signed up to PM someone who had posted personal info about one of my friends. Since I couldn't PM the target, I forgot all about this site until Deadspin directed me here. I actually tried to sign up again to post about Mike, because I didn't realize this was the same site I joined in November.
08-07-2014 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mchine
Another LOL here...Each of the persons mentioned has their own "scam" thread. There are more than those few names , but I ran out of ink. The scammer I read about today was Kim Shannon...I think that was the name. Anyway, if I was mike, then mike must be a genius to anticipate this thread last November and create numerous accounts to support himself. And that means that mike PMs himself as he has PMed my "bogus" account. LMAO
Once again you poker donks have topped yourselves with excellent investigating.
Mike is super obsessive compulsive. Its very possible he had 10 plus accounts on here. The dude probably spent 15 nights in jail in nevada alone and he never even mentioned that.

He was arrested, i think, a few days before this thread started.
08-07-2014 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthEastProf
Hello,

I wanted to share my thoughts on this truly fascinating story. First off let me add that I play poker very casually maybe once a month. I play with 3 friends in a house game, am 45 yrs old and have been playing since I was in high school. However, my real job is as an Associate Professor of Clinical Psychology at a university in the southeastern US(hence my username). I don't play poker nearly enough to have ever felt the need to join a forum such as this, but like some others in here this Michael guy drew me in(after hearing about it on deadspin).

Please note: these are just my thoughts, nothing more. I wanted to read every single post in here before I would get an account and after 3 weeks of on and off reading I just finished. I read all of Michael's posts at least 3 times and I listened to his podcast linked on here, as well as a podcast called Dope Stories. That podcast is done by 2 guys named Shane and Pauly who discussed Michael in depth. Shane played a poker tournament with Michael this summer in Las Vegas and he discussed it and sitting with Michael at the table which was really interesting.

Here is my brief take on Michael Borovetz. He definitely has traits of sociopathic personality disorder but imo is not a full-fledged sociopath. I believe he does have remorse for scamming people and I know this from his writings and interviews. See he actually pays people back when he wins money in a casino. That is very unusual for sociopaths to do because they lack a conscience. There is really no reason for Michael to pay anyone back if you think about it because as he mentions numerous times, he has been doing this type of thing on and off for close to 14 years. He hasn't gotten in any kind of serious trouble for it as his longer jail/prison stints occurred when he altered checks, defrauded a bank and tried to walk out on a big hotel bill.

Michael has had no incentive quite honestly to repay anyone back but he obviously has. Look at that scambook link for further clarification. One gentleman said he loaned him $200 back in March and after some discussion 3 or 4 weeks later Michael western unioned the guy $300. He gave the guy an extra $100 when the guy never asked for it. Why? Click on comments in his scambook thread and there are numerous remarks of Michael coming through and repaying the debts. Again that is very bizarre for someone who makes his living scamming and gambling.

That brings me to my next thought. Michael seems trapped in a lifestyle that is almost impossible to stop without serious psychological counseling. To most of us what he is doing is considered shocking or unbelievable. To Michael, it has become normal to him. It is ingrained in his head that in order to survive on his own and live day to day he has to either gamble or scam. It truly is a mental illness. I know based on some of the vitriol thrown at him by a few on here that you might not want to believe that but it's true. He cannot stop doing this by himself. He needs a serious intervention, counseling, medication and gamblers anonymous. He needs ALL OF THAT, not just 1 out of 4. Look what happened when he tried to go to a few GA meetings. That obviously didn't last long as he relapsed soon after and subsequently went back to scamming.

The last point I want to make involves any prospects he would have for a book or movie type deal. I am no expert in any of this when it comes to books or movies but I wanted(after some debate in this forum)to conduct an experiment. The sample size is very small(10 people) so take it for what it's worth. I printed out word for word Michael's coming clean posts and gave it to 10 other professors that work in my department. I had them read it and then I had them listen to his podcasts. When that was completed I asked them if they would be interested in reading a book about Michael's life and watching a movie about it. 9 out of my 10 colleagues said they would both buy the book and watch a movie made about him. Most were drawn in and immersed in Michael's story as was I when I first read the deadspin link. According to Shane on his podcast, Michael can make $2000 a day at a random airport. That in itself is amazing. I think you can also look at the fact that this thread has been opened for 6 weeks, is linked on the 2+2 twitter account, has almost 1 million views and 4000 responses as a sign that lots of people find it fascinating.

Sorry for the long-winded post but those are my thoughts and I hope(although doubtful) that Michael decides to try and change his life for the better. 39 years old is still young enough for the man to have a meaningful life. He just has to want to put in the work and that is no easy task at this point.

I have to add 1 more point. There shouldn't be any surprise though when it was brought to this forum's attention that Michael was back at an airport asking for money. Think about it, the man has been doing this for 14 years and because a discussion thread about him was created 6 weeks ago the guy is going to all of a sudden STOP SCAMMING PERMANENTLY? It doesn't work like that because he is sick, has a mental illness and needs intensive therapy and counseling. I read someone writing the word WOW after his latest escapades came to light. There's no WOW at all, it was inevitable that he was going to be back at it sooner rather than later.

Mike just went to a new hotel and created a new account, lol.

No one who is honest will defend a guy scamming at airports for 10 years lol.

agree with you though if getting arrested 30 times does not stop him from scamming a thread on here certainly was not going to stop him.
08-07-2014 , 04:26 AM
SouthEastProf, great first post. You made this thread interesting again.
08-07-2014 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by iPUTnutsONtheTABLE
I'm rooting for Mike to be the next rags to riches story. All he's gatta do is scam $20 and double up about 20 times, that's how you become a poker legend right?

The new kids in poker will be like...
I'm teaching my band how to play this. My favorite song.
08-07-2014 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by scambuster
Its fun to watch armchair know-it-all lawyers getting pummeled by real lawyers and prosecutors.
Problem is all of these so called lawyers and prosecutors in this thread apparently don't know how things work in the real world.
Jman220, even with all his expertise and experience, didn't even know that defrauding an innkeeper is a crime. He also didn't believe Mike would catch a burglary charge related to the check fraud. (I'll give you a hint. It was probably a plea bargain to a lesser charge. Something that happens numerous times every day, in just about every court). Yet he somehow insists that some prosecutor is going to search the internet for victims of this guys petty scams. It should be clear enough that with Mike's 20+ misdemeanor trespasses, that no prosecutor gives 2 ****s about tracking this guy down and trying to get a judge to throw the book at him regarding these relatively minor crimes.

Mike will go away for a long time when he pulls off something major. He'll never do more than 6 months-1 year unless he gets caught doing a single fraud worth thousands, a violent felony, a major casino cheating scam, etc. Nobody is locking him up and throwing away the key for trespassing, or his $200 airport sob stories, regardless of what the law school students or proteges in this thread would like you to believe.

And for the record, I hate Mike for all the bull**** he's put his victims through, for what he's put innocent dealers through, for his scummy attitude, etc. But let's get back to reality. His airport crimes are nothing in the grand scheme of things.
08-07-2014 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthEastProf
Hello,

I wanted to share my thoughts on this truly fascinating story. First off let me add that I play poker very casually maybe once a month. I play with 3 friends in a house game, am 45 yrs old and have been playing since I was in high school. However, my real job is as an Associate Professor of Clinical Psychology at a university in the southeastern US(hence my username). I don't play poker nearly enough to have ever felt the need to join a forum such as this, but like some others in here this Michael guy drew me in(after hearing about it on deadspin).

Please note: these are just my thoughts, nothing more. I wanted to read every single post in here before I would get an account and after 3 weeks of on and off reading I just finished. I read all of Michael's posts at least 3 times and I listened to his podcast linked on here, as well as a podcast called Dope Stories. That podcast is done by 2 guys named Shane and Pauly who discussed Michael in depth. Shane played a poker tournament with Michael this summer in Las Vegas and he discussed it and sitting with Michael at the table which was really interesting.

Here is my brief take on Michael Borovetz. He definitely has traits of sociopathic personality disorder but imo is not a full-fledged sociopath. I believe he does have remorse for scamming people and I know this from his writings and interviews. See he actually pays people back when he wins money in a casino. That is very unusual for sociopaths to do because they lack a conscience. There is really no reason for Michael to pay anyone back if you think about it because as he mentions numerous times, he has been doing this type of thing on and off for close to 14 years. He hasn't gotten in any kind of serious trouble for it as his longer jail/prison stints occurred when he altered checks, defrauded a bank and tried to walk out on a big hotel bill.

Michael has had no incentive quite honestly to repay anyone back but he obviously has. Look at that scambook link for further clarification. One gentleman said he loaned him $200 back in March and after some discussion 3 or 4 weeks later Michael western unioned the guy $300. He gave the guy an extra $100 when the guy never asked for it. Why? Click on comments in his scambook thread and there are numerous remarks of Michael coming through and repaying the debts. Again that is very bizarre for someone who makes his living scamming and gambling.

That brings me to my next thought. Michael seems trapped in a lifestyle that is almost impossible to stop without serious psychological counseling. To most of us what he is doing is considered shocking or unbelievable. To Michael, it has become normal to him. It is ingrained in his head that in order to survive on his own and live day to day he has to either gamble or scam. It truly is a mental illness. I know based on some of the vitriol thrown at him by a few on here that you might not want to believe that but it's true. He cannot stop doing this by himself. He needs a serious intervention, counseling, medication and gamblers anonymous. He needs ALL OF THAT, not just 1 out of 4. Look what happened when he tried to go to a few GA meetings. That obviously didn't last long as he relapsed soon after and subsequently went back to scamming.

The last point I want to make involves any prospects he would have for a book or movie type deal. I am no expert in any of this when it comes to books or movies but I wanted(after some debate in this forum)to conduct an experiment. The sample size is very small(10 people) so take it for what it's worth. I printed out word for word Michael's coming clean posts and gave it to 10 other professors that work in my department. I had them read it and then I had them listen to his podcasts. When that was completed I asked them if they would be interested in reading a book about Michael's life and watching a movie about it. 9 out of my 10 colleagues said they would both buy the book and watch a movie made about him. Most were drawn in and immersed in Michael's story as was I when I first read the deadspin link. According to Shane on his podcast, Michael can make $2000 a day at a random airport. That in itself is amazing. I think you can also look at the fact that this thread has been opened for 6 weeks, is linked on the 2+2 twitter account, has almost 1 million views and 4000 responses as a sign that lots of people find it fascinating.

Sorry for the long-winded post but those are my thoughts and I hope(although doubtful) that Michael decides to try and change his life for the better. 39 years old is still young enough for the man to have a meaningful life. He just has to want to put in the work and that is no easy task at this point.

I have to add 1 more point. There shouldn't be any surprise though when it was brought to this forum's attention that Michael was back at an airport asking for money. Think about it, the man has been doing this for 14 years and because a discussion thread about him was created 6 weeks ago the guy is going to all of a sudden STOP SCAMMING PERMANENTLY? It doesn't work like that because he is sick, has a mental illness and needs intensive therapy and counseling. I read someone writing the word WOW after his latest escapades came to light. There's no WOW at all, it was inevitable that he was going to be back at it sooner rather than later.
Awesome post!

However:

This community isn't really used to seeing well-written comments by intelligent people with expertise in academic fields. To be honest, it's a bit threatening; half of us still live in our parents' basements. It's hard to figure out how to respond, so we're just going to troll you unmercifully, and say stupid crap until you leave.

Take it away, YappingYoda. You'll have backup support when the rest of your buddies roll out of bed around noon.
08-07-2014 , 06:50 AM
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I printed out word for word Michael's coming clean posts and gave it to 10 other professors that work in my department. I had them read it and then I had them listen to his podcasts. When that was completed I asked them if they would be interested in reading a book about Michael's life and watching a movie about it. 9 out of my 10 colleagues said they would both buy the book and watch a movie made about him.
Haha. Professors watching a Hollywood movie to study people like him. Well, at least he can sell 9 copies of his book, no-one else would buy it. Let alone a movie about someone just scamming people for a couple of hundreds. It's not like the Great Trainrobbery or digging a tunnel and break in a bank.

I feel sorry for your students if you really are a 'professor'
08-07-2014 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mchine
I actually LOLed while reading this. I somehow know this is funny, but I truly do not get the joke. But I am happy that Gresh has a sense of humor.
It's a quote from the greatest legal movie ever made.
08-07-2014 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
Yes, he is guilty of a petty crime, and as a repeat offender, his petty crime is slightly less petty. At least you are done trying to compare it to child molestation. Thank god the average cop, prosecutor, and judge, has better sense then you, or we'd be shelling out $50,000 for legions of dishonest beggars that you'd have locked up in prison for decades. We already have 2 million people in jail here in the USA, how many more millions of vagrants and scummy beggars would you advocate locking up?
Please point to the post where I compared what he is doing to child molestation?
08-07-2014 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
First post in 2+2. So, what brought you here? I believed you a little until you said that you gave Mike's story to 10 of your fellow psychologists, and 9/10 would pay to see his story or watch the movie. Something a narcassist/sociopath like Mike would love to believe. If you are really a psychologist, you'd know this is BS. If I'm wrong, PM me, and we can send each other
copies of our diplomas and prove who we are. You can white out your name, I just want to see your degree. I'd be happy to send you mine also. In other words, I don't believe you.
It's actually entirely believable that 9 out of 10 professors of psychology (or a related field) would want to read more about this story. As e1cnr said, the poll was done in an entirely biased population group. Those are the exact people who have spent their lives studying/teaching/writing about mental illness, non-regular behaviors, addictions, etc.

I'm not saying SouthEastProf is who he claims he is. I haven't the slightest clue either way. But it's actually quite belieable that a few university professors of psychology want to hear more about a person with a documented full blown gambling addiction (and who is willnig to be quite honest, to the point of almost 'arrogance', about his beahavior).

Doesn't mean a book or a movie would ever get greenlighted. Pretty sure university professors are a tiny, tiny, tiny subset of the book market.
08-07-2014 , 08:18 AM
So that's that decided then. Mike shouldn't go to prison, he should donate himself to medical science.
08-07-2014 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerFan2008
I appreciate the legal people chiming in, but the proof is in the puddin. Mike has been scamming for 15 yrs with little to no jail time….This thread is not going to hurt his future chances of avoiding jail time.
You'd think poker players of all people would learn to not be so results oriented.
08-07-2014 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
If I'm wrong, PM me a copy of your diploma and credentials, and I'll be happy to send you mine, and I'll apologize to you publicly on here.
Maybe it's a degree in chemical engineering.
08-07-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FlatTireSuited
I'm not saying SouthEastProf is who he claims he is. I haven't the slightest clue either way. But it's actually quite belieable that a few university professors of psychology want to hear more about a person with a documented full blown gambling addiction (and who is willnig to be quite honest, to the point of almost 'arrogance', about his beahavior).
C'mon man. The dude goes out of his way to pump up the book/movie deal:

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Originally Posted by SouthEastProf
The last point I want to make involves any prospects he would have for a book or movie type deal. I am no expert in any of this when it comes to books or movies but I wanted(after some debate in this forum)to conduct an experiment. The sample size is very small(10 people) so take it for what it's worth. I printed out word for word Michael's coming clean posts and gave it to 10 other professors that work in my department. I had them read it and then I had them listen to his podcasts. When that was completed I asked them if they would be interested in reading a book about Michael's life and watching a movie about it. 9 out of my 10 colleagues said they would both buy the book and watch a movie made about him. Most were drawn in and immersed in Michael's story as was I when I first read the deadspin link.
Mike was obsessed with the idea of his book deal and movie deal; so this this "professor". Based on his writing, I'd be shocked if this guy has tenure anywhere, it sounds more like a guy who got a college degree decades ago, and has done nothing with it in the last 2 decades or so.

The writing is horrible; the purpose meandering. Yeah "great post". Nice cover story. Good try, Mike.
08-07-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by moki
C'mon man. The dude goes out of his way to pump up the book/movie deal:



Mike was obsessed with the idea of his book deal and movie deal; so this this "professor". Based on his writing, I'd be shocked if this guy has tenure anywhere, it sounds more like a guy who got a college degree decades ago, and has done nothing with it in the last 2 decades or so.

The writing is horrible; the purpose meandering. Yeah "great post". Nice cover story. Good try, Mike.
I haven't the slightest clue whether or not the guy's a professor. I don't care. And frankly, it doesn't matter. Let's say the guy is a college professor; his post here on 2p2 saying that the book would captivate him and his colleagues is going to have absolutely no bearing on whether or not Mike's life story will turn into a book or movie. The post changes the chances of a book/movie from 0.000001% to 0.000002%. And I think I'm being generous. So if it's a college professor or if it's Mike trying to keep the idea of a book in everyone's minds, either way it means nothing. All I was doing was saying that it doesn't surprise me that a few professors of psychology would find a detailed and "honest" (by that I just mean honest about the level of degeneracy involved) story of a full blown gambling addict's many years of degernate behavior tied directly to his addiction. It also wouldn't surprise me that the post is entirely made up by Mike to try to boost his chances of a book deal because he probably needs more money to go play Pai Gow and the airport scam can't always be reliable.

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
So that's that decided then. Mike shouldn't go to prison, he should donate himself to medical science.
Hey, maybe we'd learn that this part or that part of his brain doesn't do this that or has too much this or that. Would help society continue to try to "solve" the full mystery of addiction. And it'd certainly be SOMETHING good to come out of this, because I'm pretty damn confident that there's absolutely nothing else positive that will ever come out of this saga.
08-07-2014 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFan2008
It was proven I'm not mike and I'm on Mike's side...
Offer definitive proof that you are not Mike. you cannot.

Mike has like 20 fake accounts I'm sure. If he was asking for backers over the years on here he probably had a few fake ones to vouch for him.
08-07-2014 , 01:11 PM
Does Yapping Yoda have any life whatsoever outside of harassing PSUmike?
08-07-2014 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Czar Chasm
Does Yapping Yoda have any life whatsoever outside of harassing PSUmike?
He's got a lot of time on his hands at the moment. It's school holidays.
08-07-2014 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
Seriously fish taco, I've read your posts in other forums, in general you seem like a reasonable guy. Why are you the only guy on here who isn't Mike who's sticking up for Mike?
Hi Yoda....first I'd like to think I'm a reasonable guy although I probably have different views than most like in this thread. Second and for the 100th time I'm not sticking up for mike....I just don't think what he is doing is that big of a deal and definitively far from a serious crime that needs to be investigated like some of you claim. If he was out there actually stealing and robbing people than yes he should be in prison but he isn't.

All the people give him money willingly and it's probably money that they can afford to lose or they wouldn't have given it to him in the first place. These same people are foolish enough to believe his story. Look at his picture at the airport that was posted....you have to be a ****ing moron to believe his story that he was a stranded businessman. You also have to be an even bigger moron to think that he has no way of contacting friends, family, work associates, etc that can help him. I'm sorry but sometimes people have to protect themselves and not believe some random idiot at the airport. If he would have came up and asked me he seriously would have gotten out 3 words before I told him no. It's not like he looked like some clean cut well dressed person. He looks like a bum.

Jman keep saying that he would prosecute this blah blah blah but the fact is that Mike has been doing this for 14+ years and has never been prosecuted. Why? Because it's not worth anyone's time. Jman can say whatever he wants but he's acting on his on personal wishes. Just because he says one thing doesn't mean it he would actually be able to prosecute him. The amount of time and effort it would take to slap mike with a few petty charges isn't worth the time of any DA's office.

Jman...if this is a crime why has it gone on for 14 years with out any thing happening?

Take a guy that stands on the corner and holds a sign that says "homeless - need food" do you guys think he should be charged criminally if he isn't actually homeless and hungry?

      
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