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Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14 Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14

07-02-2014 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JAAASH
I still don't understand how people gave this guy hundreds of dollars with the expectation he was actually going to pay you back. I mean was this the first time you had ever walked by a begger? Every large city I've ever been in for a period of time people have given me the sob story to help them out. I just don't understand how such low level thinking really exists out there that he was able to make a living doing this for a large part of 14-15 years straight.
If you think that's mind boggling there are people in this thread trying to send him money.
07-02-2014 , 07:59 PM
I agree with exit 82 f this guy. he is a lazy scammer with no remorse, only reason he even acts like he cares is cus he got caught. Go get a job you lazy bum and take a shower and get a haircut while you're at it.
07-02-2014 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by crazy canuck
Many well intentioned posters do not realize that Michael might be a clinical psychopath (or antisocial personality disorder in DSM 5). Based on his past actions, lack of empathy and remorse, lack of impulse control, "talent" to pick out marks, and narcissism, he is a textbook case.

Here is a brief overview of the condition:

Mask of Sanity Summary

Or he might have some other Cluster B personality disorder as some other poster suggested above.

However, it is also possible that he acts like a sociopath because he is a genuine addict. Regardless, he should definitely see a professional psychologist/psychiatrist in addition to GA.

Edit: Hare's book "Without Conscience" is also a good source on psychopaths. One does not have to read the book to get an idea about the disorder. Just use google and read the summaries online (e.g. Amazon reviews or some blogs).
Good post^^. I mentioned in an earlier post that treatment has been documented to have little-to-no improvement on these individuals in research studies. I was playing the percentages on this one as well as the probability of gambling relapse. I'm assuming The poster(who mentioned the kids in children hospital in a possible attempt to get me to empathize with Mike) doesn't realize this about Mike. It's not that I hope Mike relapses into gambling/scamming, it's just the odds are overwhelmingly slim that he doesnt. I'd at least like to here some fascinating tales from Mike now that our interest is peaked from info about his past and what the future may hold for the notorious pai gow legend, PSUMike. I'm not beating you down, Mike. I find your stories fascinating. Maybe not savory, but definetly interesting.
07-02-2014 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
that guy's worse at analogies than hitler
If you think I'm a bad name-dropper, you should see Clive Owen.
07-02-2014 , 08:14 PM
Hey Mike,

I wonder if anyone the you scammed ran into you on a future occasion at the airport (or somewhere else) and approached you and asked for their money (or whatever)? I assume that in all those years you must have had a few incidents like that.

Just curious.

Larry
07-02-2014 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Doggg
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You can even make money by selling stuff on Ebay. If you make a point of listing 5 items a day, no matter what they are and where they come from (even dollar stores) you can easily have a 100$ a week income coming in for a minimal amount of work. In one month you will have 100+ items up. Everything sells on Eaby. I mean EVERYTHING. You can list an old pair of shoelaces and someone will buy it.
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Sorry for the thread hijack but what the hell are you talking about? Contrary to what fantasy world you're living in, everything does not sell on ebay. You can't sell old shoelaces for $20. Even if you bought something from the dollar store for a dollar, and resold it on ebay for $10 (which isn't going to consistently happen), you still have to give ebay their cut, PayPal their cut, and pay to ship it. If you do this five times, you'll be lucky to clear $30. Stop making **** up.
07-02-2014 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by William Murderface
Sorry for the thread hijack but what the hell are you talking about? Contrary to what fantasy world you're living in, everything does not sell on ebay. You can't sell old shoelaces for $20. Even if you bought something from the dollar store for a dollar, and resold it on ebay for $10 (which isn't going to consistently happen), you still have to give ebay their cut, PayPal their cut, and pay to ship it. If you do this five times, you'll be lucky to clear $30. Stop making **** up.
Exactly. Ebay is a rip-off, the fees they charge on sold items are nuts. It's impossible to turn any kind of profit unless you stole the items in the first place. Of course, if you're broke and just need money, you can move valuable items for a lot less than you paid for them. The fact that Ebay won't allow you to charge buyer the 3% paypal fee just steams me to no end as well, it's none of their damned business what I charge a buyer after the transaction concludes. Whenever I have a large/valuable item I'd like to unload, I use Craigslist or the message board of somewhere the item might be in demand.
07-02-2014 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverslayer
Good post^^. I was playing the percentages on this one as well as the probability of gambling relapse. I'm assuming The poster(who mentioned the kids in children hospital in a possible attempt to get me to empathize with Mike) doesn't realize this about Mike. It's not that I hope Mike relapses into gambling/scamming, it's just the odds are overwhelmingly slim that he doesnt.
In order to relapse you have to first stop. PSU is arrogant and defensive and never said or gave any indication that he either stopped or wanted to stop. When a few snifflers started posting he saw it as an opportunity to profit and started gearing his posts toward what in his mind he believed they would want to hear.
07-02-2014 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by exit82
In order to relapse you have to first stop. PSU is arrogant and defensive and never said or gave any indication that he either stopped or wanted to stop. When a few snifflers started posting he saw it as an opportunity to profit and started gearing his posts toward what in his mind he believed they would want to hear.
You really are the #1 troll in this thread, congratulatuons - you've earned it.

I have never gotten defensive or arrogant, even when you came in here yesterday laying odds about me attending meetings. I also saw no opportunity to profit(another lie by you) because I have left Las Vegas and I haven't gambled now since early Friday morning after I busted Monster Stack. You can keep posting your nonsense though since I guess you have nothing else to do.
07-02-2014 , 09:44 PM
how was the meeting last night?
07-02-2014 , 09:46 PM
I don't necessarily condone some of the things people have said about/towards you, but lol@ your statement that you haven't been defensive.

You need to be a lot more honest with yourself than that to have any chance of making things work.

You need to recognize what you're feeling, and when, and why.

Don't worry, most people suck at this, so it's not like I'm insinuating there's something extraordinarily wrong with you for not realizing how you've come across. But you have absolutely been defensive in spots where it hasn't been warranted (from an outsiders perspective).

That's not unusual in a spot like this, but you need to find people who are going to be honest with you about things you lack the capacity to be honest about with yourself right now.

This is like step 40 though. Worry about step 1, then step 2, and eventually the rest will come, if you are serious and work hard at it.
07-02-2014 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerpipes
how was the meeting last night?
It was fine. I briefly shared and got a welcome keychain. I am not feeling that great today so I will skip tonight and go to a meeting Thursday. Still definitely have urges to gamble though.
07-02-2014 , 09:48 PM
You should be going to meetings daily for the foreseeable future unless you are literally on death's door or in the hospital or something.
07-02-2014 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
I'm not defending Mike in any way (you can read my old posts to see that), but why does Mike have to confirm to us that he went? It's his own train wreck of a life, if you wants to continue to lie and tell us he went when he didn't, that's his business.
It's like a sordid version of Lodden Thinks. It doesn't matter what the correct answer is, only what someone thinks is the correct answer.
07-02-2014 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
It was fine. I briefly shared and got a welcome keychain. I am not feeling that great today so I will skip tonight and go to a meeting Thursday. Still definitely have urges to gamble though.
then stay away from place that you can gamble.
07-02-2014 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
It was fine. I briefly shared and got a welcome keychain. I am not feeling that great today so I will skip tonight and go to a meeting Thursday. Still definitely have urges to gamble though.
Mullet Man, Slam, etc... any wisdom on this?

I agree with SGT RJ. Although I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this, my general read is that skipping meetings is how things can unravel, especially early in the recovery.

Or is an every-other-day frequency fairly standard?
07-02-2014 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
It was fine. I briefly shared and got a welcome keychain. I am not feeling that great today so I will skip tonight and go to a meeting Thursday. Still definitely have urges to gamble though.
**** thursday too, man. thursday crowd probably sucks
07-02-2014 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
**** thursday too, man. thursday crowd probably sucks
lol.
07-02-2014 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
It was fine. I briefly shared and got a welcome keychain. I am not feeling that great today so I will skip tonight and go to a meeting Thursday. Still definitely have urges to gamble though.
you should be asking to sleep at the meetings. I wouldn't miss a day for anything. Take the free food, sit there, and listen.
07-02-2014 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Mullet Man, Slam, etc... any wisdom on this?

I agree with SGT RJ. Although I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this, my general read is that skipping meetings is how things can unravel, especially early in the recovery.

Or is an every-other-day frequency fairly standard?
90 meeting in 90 days. When you feel the worst is when you should hit a meeting the most.
07-02-2014 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Mullet Man, Slam, etc... any wisdom on this?

I agree with SGT RJ. Although I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this, my general read is that skipping meetings is how things can unravel, especially early in the recovery.

Or is an every-other-day frequency fairly standard?
No, every day is standard early in recovery, even multiple times daily if necessary.

That he's using excuses to not go to a meeting on day 2 is telling.

On some level I think I hope people saying stuff like this angers him and pushes him to prove us wrong (whatever gets him on the right path) but the reality is what I've said before - he shows no evidence of being really serious about this right now.

He knows what he's expected to say (that this is a problem and he wants to fix it) but he doesn't actually show any evidence of believing it right now.

If you really believe something in your life is that ****ed up and it needs to change, right now, you do something to change it. You don't post on an internet web forum about how you don't feel that well but you'll get back on track tomorrow.

It's just another example of a small poor choice that he doesn't want to address right now. Enough small poor choices lead to large poor choices, and he already knows where that leads. He just doesn't care enough to change right now.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 07-03-2014 at 06:05 PM.
07-02-2014 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
you live a complicated life.......don't you?
incredibly simple actually. poker, golf, food, wine, friends, rinse, wash, repeat. 15 years and counting... you?
07-02-2014 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
90 meeting in 90 days. When you feel the worst is when you should hit a meeting the most.
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
No, every day is standard early in recovery, even multiple times daily if necessary.

That's he's using excuses to not go to a meeting on day 2 is telling.
Thanks. I suspected as much but didn't want to say anything since I knew I'm coming from a completely uninformed position.
07-02-2014 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
You really are the #1 troll in this thread, congratulatuons - you've earned it.

I have never gotten defensive or arrogant, even when you came in here yesterday laying odds about me attending meetings. I also saw no opportunity to profit(another lie by you) because I have left Las Vegas and I haven't gambled now since early Friday morning after I busted Monster Stack. You can keep posting your nonsense though since I guess you have nothing else to do.
LOL An airport beggar/scammer calling me a troll.

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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
I am not feeling that great today so I will skip tonight and go to a meeting Thursday. Still definitely have urges to gamble though.
Well, that didn't take long, did it?
07-02-2014 , 10:46 PM
Mike wearing the penn state cap around at airports reminds me of belle Knox proclaiming herself as the duke porn star! Except Mike is less hot. Sorry mike

      
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