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07-12-2023 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay
One would think that after all these years Lonny Mac would be a decent or even good poker commentator. In that case, one would be wrong. Miscalling hands, bets, turn to act, draws and just about everything else poker related remains his norm. He is at his best when simply agreeing with other commentators saying things like "I agree," "good call," or simply "yes." Occasionally he will offer some words of poker wisdom, followed by "I'll tell you later," and later never comes. He simply doesn't know. He is most comfortable talking about anything other than the actual play of a hand and indulges himself with chatter about nonsense unrelated to the game he is watching. He enjoys convos about style of dress, choices of food, player relationships, and likes to throw in some trivia about a player's background or past results to make him look like an expert (yes, he can read). Most often he is absorbed in such conversations while there is interesting action taking place on the table. When it is brought to his attention he may make an exclamation like "this is good" or "oh my." That's about as deep as it gets with him.

The fact that he remains on these shows is a sign of the indifference ESPN has to this broadcast. This would not be acceptable in any other televised sporting contest. What a relief it is when Ali and Nick take over. They are polar opposites of the childish chatter we've had to endure for the last few hours. They are real pros who understand the game and why they are there. And most importantly they have the ability to communicate all that to us in a coherent and often humorous way. Please don't tell me I can mute the sound. I've done that and it does help. But my question is why do so many of us have to listen to such idle meanderings when a very important poker tournament is being played. There are many other choices ESPN could be using and yet they stick with perhaps the worst possible one there is. I'm not sorry to say this, since I've been watching and listening to the Norm and Lon show for years now, and gringed at the inept way the game of poker is being presented and reported by them.
People who were around the Moneymaker year get nostalgic about Lon and Norm but they absolutely suck. And the more you listen to them the worst they are. I know I'm supposed to pretend they're great poker boom blah blah blah but they are awful and have always been awful.

Nick Schulman is amazing.
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07-12-2023 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
People who were around the Moneymaker year get nostalgic about Lon and Norm but they absolutely suck. And the more you listen to them the worst they are. I know I'm supposed to pretend they're great poker boom blah blah blah but they are awful and have always been awful.

Nick Schulman is amazing.
Lon and Norm edited WSOP shows are great. Schulman and Rast live commentating is amazing.
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07-12-2023 , 01:55 PM
Matt Kiefer still in this main too. Was wearing the Shawn Kemp Sonics jersey yesterday. He was on Solve 4 Why podcast a few months ago. Working on the Doyle documentary. Has some funny YouTube videos:





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07-12-2023 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 9hilikeabos
I would imagine he made his money outside of gambling. His twitter talks bitcoin a lot, so maybe he did well there. There’s so many ways he could have become rich without being what you guys are accusing him of being.
Aaah, good catch. Yeah, that's probably it.

Hell, we all know many people who have done very well for themselves with some timely investments. They might not have done so well that they can just give away thousands to strangers, but definitely well enough that they hold jobs that don't otherwise pay all that well. You look at what they do, then you see where they live, and it would make you go "hmmmm" if you didn't know that they got in on Intel in the early 1990s or whatever.

When it comes to Bitcoin, we have seen this same phenomenon but exaggerated by a massive order of magnitude.

EDIT: That Johnnie Vibes video is gold.

EDIT: No wait, they're all gold.
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07-12-2023 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Defarse
Lon and Norm edited WSOP shows are great. Schulman and Rast live commentating is amazing.
They're awful edited and ten times worse live.
They absolutely hit the lottery that year getting hired right as poker blew up. Perfect storm for them.
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07-12-2023 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
They're awful edited and ten times worse live.
They absolutely hit the lottery that year getting hired right as poker blew up. Perfect storm for them.
This is definitely each to his own. I like the live, especially late night when just chilling.
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07-12-2023 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Yes

Lon has haters seeing boogeymen at every turn. Another guy went on a tirade when Lon said some guy had kings up when he had pocket kings and board was 882

People just need to sit back, relax, and enjoy the coverage, which all things considered, is top notch
lol "went on a tirade"

within 10 mins had made a second post that i was dead wrong

but carry on carrying Lon's water like the white knight that you are
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07-12-2023 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
lol "went on a tirade"

within 10 mins had made a second post that i was dead wrong

but carry on carrying Lon's water like the white knight that you are
We all appreciate the post indicating you were wrong but it should have been followed by a timeout in the corner for at least a few days of coverage imo

But you were using it as the final evidence to “Get him out NOW” as you put it. That’s at least some violent fist shaking, borderline tirade

Then this latest one “he said he had to cross the street!” when in fact he did just that.

Just in here keeping it real actually. He is not a HOF announcer but he was part of a commenting team important enough to history of the game to be nominated to HOF. So calling out minutia especially when it is wrong will be called out by Scotch

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07-12-2023 , 03:40 PM
Going through the remaining names as someone who has been basically not following tourney poker closely for the last 2-3 years, here were the names I recognized:

John Duthie
Sam Stein
Maurice Hawkins
Hilton Laborda
Daniel Weinman
Alec Torelli
Hunter Frey
Christian Harder
Andrey Pateychuk
Toby Lewis
Mark Teltscher
John Racener
Amit Makhija
Nate Silver
Tony Dunst
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07-12-2023 , 04:18 PM
How unfortunate if Maurice Hawkins or Alec Torelli wins the main.
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07-12-2023 , 05:27 PM
Funny, I have a morbid desire for Hawkins to finish exactly 10th. He bubbles the FT and loses out on the attention that receives, but also wins enough money for his creditors to improve their chances of getting paid.
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07-12-2023 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Funny, I have a morbid desire for Hawkins to finish exactly 10th. He bubbles the FT and loses out on the attention that receives, but also wins enough money for his creditors to improve their chances of getting paid.
LOL at his creditors getting paid! Ain't never happening.
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07-12-2023 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeyfan420
LOL at his creditors getting paid! Ain't never happening.
+1

His backers for the main will be lucky if they get paid
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07-12-2023 , 07:46 PM
Anyone know what Luther’s bust out hand was? Sometimes the PokerNews coverage seems really terrible…they just list her as out without any mention of how or when it happened.
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07-12-2023 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
People who were around the Moneymaker year get nostalgic about Lon and Norm but they absolutely suck. And the more you listen to them the worst they are. I know I'm supposed to pretend they're great poker boom blah blah blah but they are awful and have always been awful.

Nick Schulman is amazing.
Agree 100%! The last two days I've been watching some serious poker being played by some very good players. I think the fields for these events and especially this one are better than ever. This calls for good commentary by competent people, i.e. Nick and Ali, who are able to give us excellent insights into what players may be thinking and what options they have. They are by far the best commentary team in the poker universe and they belong in there at the Main Event. As for the Lon and Norm comedy show, good riddance is all I can say. They do not do justice to the action taking place before them. I dread the thought of them working/demeaning the final table, when all the chips and money are on the line. Please, please, please NO!
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07-12-2023 , 08:16 PM
Lon and Norm were good for what they were at the time, they were solid announcers during the boom and did good connecting with the casual viewer

Being as how the casual viewer doesn’t exist anymore, Espn isn’t syndicating wsop events and it’s all livestreams that the casual Espn viewer isn’t watching, they are indisputably not the right people for the job
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07-12-2023 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Anyone know what Luther’s bust out hand was? Sometimes the PokerNews coverage seems really terrible…they just list her as out without any mention of how or when it happened.
AK<AQ when a queen hit on the turn
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07-12-2023 , 08:40 PM
Maurice Hawkins gonna have a nice wsop me payday.
He'll probably use the money to pay off some of his old debts.
The rest of them will have to wait.
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07-12-2023 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay
As for the Lon and Norm comedy show, good riddance is all I can say. They do not do justice to the action taking place before them. I dread the thought of them working/demeaning the final table, when all the chips and money are on the line. Please, please, please NO!
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
Lon and Norm were good for what they were at the time, they were solid announcers during the boom and did good connecting with the casual viewer

Being as how the casual viewer doesn’t exist anymore, Espn isn’t syndicating wsop events and it’s all livestreams that the casual Espn viewer isn’t watching, they are indisputably not the right people for the job
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07-12-2023 , 09:52 PM
Not many fun sweats left, but that just means new players have a chance to make a name for themselves.

One name I recognize is Ivan Ruban, who is a regular in events at Wynn and Venetian throughout the year.

He has won a number of single-day Venetian events this year and probably has more live MTT experience than most of the remaining field.
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07-12-2023 , 09:56 PM
set over set for silver was pretty sick. He could have generated some mainstream attention if he made the FT
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07-12-2023 , 09:56 PM
Arieh in 1st of 4 in $25K HORSE. He seems to do really well in mixed games and PLO high rollers. Seems like a really strong player. He was a top finisher in the ME way back.
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07-12-2023 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Arieh in 1st of 4 in $25K HORSE. He seems to do really well in mixed games and PLO high rollers. Seems like a really strong player. He was a top finisher in the ME way back.

Who else remain?
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07-12-2023 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Arieh in 1st of 4 in $25K HORSE.
Josh Arieh hof bound with a win.
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07-12-2023 , 10:03 PM
Well, with Luther and Silver out, there’s really not much left to root for in the Main. Very disappointing.
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