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07-28-2012 , 03:54 AM
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I have my tinfoil hat in my hand
07-28-2012 , 03:54 AM
0 reason to delete HBs post.

This thread probably brings 2p2 a lot of money, they don't want the saga to end
07-28-2012 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
At this point, I wont believe anything 100% until I see a check.
fyp
07-28-2012 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
Spoiler:
I have my tinfoil hat in my hand
Pretty sure I pissed off a top-top. Hope I don't get the flashy thing.
07-28-2012 , 03:56 AM
wow that aejones tweet? :-/ wtf?
07-28-2012 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by black_friday
0 reason to delete HBs post.

This thread probably brings 2p2 a lot of money, they don't want the saga to end
Well a lot more than howard beale's posts are now gone too.

Countdown on these also?

Thnx for the insight howard ( srsly, no jokes)
07-28-2012 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Re G911:
They filed and were granted a motion in August of 2009: http://calaware.typepad.com/calaware...ws-medium.html when the DOJ seized ~$40M from FTP and Stars. No clue what, if anything, it has to do with this specific case. That article about it (which is the one that they chose to link to, so presumably pretty favorable to them) seems to imply that the most interesting part of the whole thing was just that the court agreed to treat them like a real journalism organization:



Maybe I'm missing something since I've never taken the time to actually try to dig up the legal documents.

Regardless, they get things wrong for a living (though not necessarily when they just confusedly regurgitate someone else's store and claim to have sources), but they mention the fact that they once were granted a motion in court in like all of their articles related to stuff like this because apparently they think it gives them credibility.

They used the same argument when they implied that they had inside knowledge into my own personal motivations, which was rather surreal for me because their inside knowledge was wrong.

Even when they just copied my own articles, they had an incredible ability to change just enough to make all the facts incorrect while still really blatantly plagiarizing.
yeah, yeah. you're the man. we're getting paid right???

Last edited by ChiddyBang; 07-28-2012 at 03:59 AM. Reason: srsly though you're ok noah
07-28-2012 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
Quite often I found it all spins off the nearly the same source.
I would agree when the term "inside source" is used. It's interesting that there's such a difference of opinion from credible people on an issue the is so important to many people. It's not: well they got it partly right, its: they are wrong or not credible. When this plays there's going to be a lot folks whose reputations will tarnished.
07-28-2012 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ShipItYo
wow that aejones tweet? :-/ wtf?
I heard same thing. Also the DOJ doesn't settle / negotiate criminal indictments with fugitives, although I guess anything is possible. This guy would normally turn himself in before anything is settled.

I think this woman is jacking everyone off one last time....
07-28-2012 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by zoomie123
I would agree when the term "inside source" is used. It's interesting that there's such a difference of opinion from credible people on an issue the is so important to many people. It's not: well they got it partly right, its: they are wrong or not credible. When this plays there's going to be a lot folks whose reputations will tarnished.
Clearly we know which side of the fence you're on
07-28-2012 , 04:10 AM
Sheesh, I am not in hiding as some have suggested. I am grunching a bit, and will go back and read fully the last day's posts now.
As to giving credibility, what the heck is wrong with some of you people? You give crazy props to a writer who has shown to be wrong before, who has no problem publishing rumors and speculation and half the time admits to doing so while taking bows, and then you try to bury a poker news site that has been pretty awesome in their coverage of all things poker. IMHO, Pokerfuse is pretty darned good and has published A LOT of solid articles in the last year. I'm envious sometimes that I can't cover as much as that site does because I am only one person, so I have to decide how to best spend my time and resources. I've chosen to stick with the investigative side of a specific section of industry news and to concentrate on doing it right, so that's what I do.

Hood, while we can agree to disagree on a few things, I think you are doing a fine job.

Btw, I will not be commenting further here on anything I have not yet published, my tweet stands.
07-28-2012 , 04:12 AM
I predict that over the course of the next few days, we will re-experience the emotional roller coaster ride of the entire thread in a condensed form.

Instead of weekly/monthly swings of optimism and pessimism, the emotional waves will be relived by the hour, minute, and tweet.

edit: in after DF
07-28-2012 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ShipItYo
wow that aejones tweet? :-/ wtf?
cliffs?
07-28-2012 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Sheesh, I am not in hiding as some have suggested. I am grunching a bit, and will go back and read fully the last day's posts now.
As to giving credibility, what the heck is wrong with some of you people? You give crazy props to a writer who has shown to be wrong before, who has no problem publishing rumors and speculation and half the time admits to doing so while taking bows, and then you try to bury a poker news site that has been pretty awesome in their coverage of all things poker. IMHO, Pokerfuse is pretty darned good and has published A LOT of solid articles in the last year. I'm envious sometimes that I can't cover as much as that site does because I am only one person, so I have to decide how to best spend my time and resources. I've chosen to stick with the investigative side of a specific section of industry news and to concentrate on doing it right, so that's what I do.

Hood, while we can agree to disagree on a few things, I think you are doing a fine job.

Btw, I will not be commenting further here on anything I have not yet published, my tweet stands.
Inneresting.
07-28-2012 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ShipItYo
wow that aejones tweet? :-/ wtf?
What's that?
07-28-2012 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
cliffs?
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Originally Posted by la6ki
What's that?
he said his source tells him the deal is dead.
07-28-2012 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
cliffs?
Aaron Jones ‏@aejonesleggo

my sources tell me the ftp deal is actually dead, i hope they're wrong
07-28-2012 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
Clearly we know which side of the fence you're on
Maybe. Just think citing the DOJ and the judge seem pretty credible. There has to be some risk to the publications in citing those sources. Guess we'll know next week.
07-28-2012 , 04:25 AM
gambling911 ‏@gambling911

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Folks, again we are hoping to have confirmation from the US Attorney's Office by Tues regarding Full Tilt Poker. So continue keeping tabs
07-28-2012 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 28renton
he said his source tells him the deal is dead.
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Originally Posted by MICK E JUICE
Aaron Jones ‏@aejonesleggo

my sources tell me the ftp deal is actually dead, i hope they're wrong
JFC. I'm going to hide under my bed, just tell me when its all over
07-28-2012 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
I had all the evidence I needed when Ray Bitar said his return was part of the process to get players repaid, the fact that FTP has no money to pay August salaries makes the end of July, after the Beckly/Rubin sentencing, fall perfectly into place.

Of course we will hear a dramatic story of someone caving in at the final moment, but if anyone believes that I have a bluff I want to sell you, the fix has clearly been in for quite some time.
Seriously? I mean really Seriously? After everything you have been shown, you are still sticking with your theory?
You have been shown 100 times that Bitar surrendered with no deal for himself in place. It was not a contingency for any agreement to make a civil "deal" complete with PS/FTP. No deal announcement was put on hold specifically for the end of the month for salaries or to wait for sentencing in anyone's criminal case.

Dude, seriously, there have to be meds available for whatever problem you have with the truth. In the end the truth is the truth, not what you want it to be.
07-28-2012 , 04:30 AM
Maybe they are all using the same source. Source is probably reading this thread and getting a kick out of it ...
07-28-2012 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Seriously? I mean really Seriously? After everything you have been shown, you are still sticking with your theory?
You have been shown 100 times that Bitar surrendered with no deal for himself in place. It was not a contingency for any agreement to make a civil "deal" complete with PS/FTP. No deal announcement was put on hold specifically for the end of the month for salaries or to wait for sentencing in anyone's criminal case.

Dude, seriously, there have to be meds available for whatever problem you have with the truth. In the end the truth is the truth, not what you want it to be.
DF,

Do you have any new information you can post, i.e. if and when this deal will go through?
07-28-2012 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Seriously? I mean really Seriously? After everything you have been shown, you are still sticking with your theory?
You have been shown 100 times that Bitar surrendered with no deal for himself in place. It was not a contingency for any agreement to make a civil "deal" complete with PS/FTP. No deal announcement was put on hold specifically for the end of the month for salaries or to wait for sentencing in anyone's criminal case.

Dude, seriously, there have to be meds available for whatever problem you have with the truth. In the end the truth is the truth, not what you want it to be.
We'll see, someone asked me my opinion on July 11 in PM and I wrote:

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Originally Posted by tamiller866
Hi,

If I actually knew exactly what was happening, in other words, was told by the US Attorney working this case, I wouldn't be able to comment any more than Diamond Flush does: "cautiously optimistic"

But understanding how the legal system works, there is simply no way that Ray Bitar's lawyer allowed him to turn himself in and be blindsided by a new indictment and a request to deny bail.

His email made it clear that his surrender was the next step in the process to get players refunded, the following step took place when the DOJ did not request another extension on a deal which they just last week said they were optimistic on completing.

I expect we will hear something formal before August, PokerStars isn't going to continue paying the salaries of Pocket Kings employees if it isn't, but again that is only my opinion, not professional advice or leaked information from a confidential source.

Good luck.
Come August 1, if we don't here something then I'll have to admit I was wrong, until then I expect to be back playing on FTP before the holidays.
07-28-2012 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rockrock
I heard same thing. Also the DOJ doesn't settle / negotiate criminal indictments with fugitives, although I guess anything is possible. This guy would normally turn himself in before anything is settled.
I assure you PokerStars has been in settlement negotiations with the DOJ since as far back as January.

      
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