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07-19-2012 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
omg, this is probably the stupidest comment in this thread - serious.

PS invested a lot time, effort and money for all this. sure they have something they want and it's just not to help the victims of ftp. but i'm 100% sure they didn't it just to be 'the white knight' for some weeks.

they paid their us-players after BF and they are still the market leader ... so why should they try 'to fool' the community w/ false hopes. makes no sense.


and that PS never confirmed the rumors, just proves this b/c they knew to finish this deal takes times and isn't a sure thing.

DoJ wants something, PS wants something, now they negotiate. w/ the few information we have, we just can speculate.




i totally love the fact, that Kirbynators avatar is always up-to-date on the current status of the FTP-deal
seriously*

As to your drivel of a post, you need to relax sir. I never claimed my post wasn't speculative nor that Stars is or should be playing the role of hero with no self interest at stake when negotiating. If you can't figure out the message, you have limited reading comprehension or you just enjoy distorting a comment so that you can insult. All I said was that IF Stars turns out to have been bluffing, as the Party lawyers tweet suggested (and has been said to be false), that would be pretty damn gross. I didn't just make up the concept, he said it. I hope he is wrong. In fact, I'd bet he is wrong, but I am not 100% sure he is wrong and if he somehow ends up being right, I don't think Stars roll in doing that would be okay. Before they were involved in the FTP talks, obviously they were nothing but awesome post BF. If what he tweeted has a kernel of truth in it, then they did take part in the sickest slowroll against the community that will ever occur. If there is no truth to it, then they are not really deserving of any anger at them.

Again, I don't know or even think that this is the fact, but I can't rule it out and was simply expressing my thoughts IF it does end up being the case.

Get off your high horse.
07-19-2012 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by insidemanpoker
I know Stars has absolutely NO responsibility for the FTP disaster but if it comes out that they used it for leverage at the expense of the players in any sort of way, that would make me insanely angry.

I get the feeling it is Stars that walked away and 'changed' something at the 11th hour. If they really had been using FTP as a way just to help themselves with no intention of benefiting the players, that would be pretty gross.
isn't the same as

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Originally Posted by insidemanpoker
All I said was that IF Stars turns out to have been bluffing, as the Party lawyers tweet suggested (and has been said to be false), that would be pretty damn gross.
but okay.

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Originally Posted by insidemanpoker
Get off your high horse.
lol u should relax andthink twice. Writing something like "If [enter something speculative w/o sense], than i'm really angry..." helps no one.

explain me: why would PS try to 'bluff' (never wanted a deal) and give players hopes just 'for leverage' ... really explain me Mr GoodPostWriter

if you can explain me, i'll promise to apologize
07-19-2012 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by insidemanpoker
I know Stars has absolutely NO responsibility for the FTP disaster but if it comes out that they used it for leverage at the expense of the players in any sort of way, that would make me insanely angry.

I get the feeling it is Stars that walked away and 'changed' something at the 11th hour. If they really had been using FTP as a way just to help themselves with no intention of benefiting the players, that would be pretty gross. They got themselves involved in the sickest slowroll of all time and so now they are tied to how it resolves.
Stars have never ever said or claimed anything about FTP.
07-19-2012 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperJez
Stars have never ever said or claimed anything about FTP.
That is quite true, they only said they are still in discussions about the settlement for them.
07-19-2012 , 06:50 AM
Everything is speculation.

I'm going to believe the individual that originally broke the story about PS buying FTP. He stated that both sites would be back online, and players would be refunded 100%.

I honestly don't think anybody else has inside information. He broke the Bitar story first also, and I'm sure he'll be first to tell us the next major step in the process when it comes.
07-19-2012 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperJez
Stars have never ever said or claimed anything about FTP.

So where does all this information/speculation come from? Is it 100% ppl like DF and some others interpreting a bunch of esoteric court filings.
07-19-2012 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DanPan
Diamdon_Flush, I am not quoting your tweet from a month ago as some kind of proof that you were 'wrong' or anything silly like that. If someone is optimistic that an event will occur, if it doesn't, that person did nothing wrong by being optimistic. I'm optimistic that either Roger Federer, Rafa, Novak, or Andy Murray will win the US Open this year. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, but I have very good reason to be optimistic about it.

What I am basically on my knees begging for is just to hear how your current view of the situation matches up with your view from a month ago when you tweeted your optimism. We all know you are a lot more clued in than anyone else and we respect your desire to keep your sources and the details they provide, private. But is it really crossing the line to simply tell us if you have the same level of optimism that you did a month ago? I know it serves no 'purpose' but so what? It would be so incredibly appreciated regardless of whether your opinion made me feel more or less hopeful about the deal. And for the 10th time, I apologize for calling you out, but you really are the only one we trust.
seriously?

Did you think scrutinizing my tweets would give you a different answer than you heard here? I use that account for when I publish new articles, and occasionally to answer direct questions. That tweet was in reply to such a question.
No it wasn't wrong, at the time, or now, and it's silly for you to even bother posting this.

I don't know how many more times I can answer you the same thing. I've answered enough times, and this will be the last time I address your comments at all. There is nothing more I can say now than I already have. When there is, I will. Rephrasing your question 100 different ways, will not, I promise you, get you a different answer.

Once you typed this "I apologize for calling you out", you should have known you should stop.
07-19-2012 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AEPpoker-deux
So where does all this information/speculation come from? Is it 100% ppl like DF and some others interpreting a bunch of esoteric court filings.
Much of it is simply folks grasping at straws, very understandable in this case, a few trolls chiming in as usual also.
07-19-2012 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DoTheMath
Star's MTD and the latest from the DoJ are not at all on the same level. Stars pretty well had to file a MTD. It was a normal course of action. The DoJ did not have to do this at all.

This is clearly a leveage move, but whether it is designed to lever a more favorable deal or to get a clear victory in the civil case, I can't tell.

It could be a reaction by the DoJ to a last-minute change from Stars, or it could be part of an ongoing DoJ strategy of ratcheting up the heat, which was previously manifested in the new charges against Bitar.

Since we have plausible reasons to believe that Stars wants a deal, but no particular reason to believe the DoJ needs deal, I'm more inclined to think this is all part of the DoJ getting tough, and is therefore bad news for players getting a Stars-funded payout of FTP debt. There is still hope for remission, though.
I disagree, though I won't claim to be as prescient as some and say that I expected the Alter Ego doctrine to be utilized (that they could expect a court to construe a worldwide corporation with upwards of a thousand employees to be an alter ego didn't occur to me) but that the DOJ would file something in order to halt the clock on their own need to file an answer to the MTD certainly did.

This motion was likely written a before the clock was finally restarted, they needed the other actions to progress before a deal could be consummated, but they certainly don't want to file an unimpressive answer during the intermission that might give PokerStars some incentive to back out, nor would they want to put any excessive effort into writing any answer if they expect to a settlement.

If we assume the viewpoint of a deal already pending, this motion makes sense, but if we look at it from the angle that they are trying to apply leverage, ratchets or heat, this motion completely fails - if anything, it makes them look vulnerable since they wouldn't be trying to deny Isai a defense if they didn't think the one he had was difficult to overcome.
07-19-2012 , 07:48 AM
Preet Bharara, your mother is a guarra.
07-19-2012 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dan12
Preet Bharara, your mother is a guarra.
For a moment I thought you were calling his mother a "white girl" (guera)...lol.
07-19-2012 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
seriously?

Did you think scrutinizing my tweets would give you a different answer than you heard here? I use that account for when I publish new articles, and occasionally to answer direct questions. That tweet was in reply to such a question.
No it wasn't wrong, at the time, or now, and it's silly for you to even bother posting this.

I don't know how many more times I can answer you the same thing. I've answered enough times, and this will be the last time I address your comments at all. There is nothing more I can say now than I already have. When there is, I will. Rephrasing your question 100 different ways, will not, I promise you, get you a different answer.

Once you typed this "I apologize for calling you out", you should have known you should stop.
Well that's too bad. I didn't expect you to act so offended or attack me with such a demeaning tone for this. Perhaps it's hard for you to understand where some of us are coming from and so you lack sympathy for the situation and just lash out when you think you have been called out in a way you don't like.

You know what pisses me off? That no one who knows anything will answer a direct question DIRECTLY. Why did I ask you a question in three different ways? To try to make it clear that I was not asking for ANY privileged information. I didn't ask you to reveal your sources or for any inside information they have given you. I asked you a very simple and direct question and you CHOSE (you did not have to) give the usual workaround crap about "I will tell you something when there is officially something to tell". I would have respected it a lot more if you just said "Look, I think I made a mistake in giving my opinion a month ago and I don't want to go down that path again because of all the resulting speculation" but instead you just attack me for asking a fair question.

There is absolutely no reason you couldn't have just answered either "Yes, I have the same degree of confidence as I did a month ago" or "No, I now think a deal is more or less likely than I did a month ago". Or, as I said, you could have just said you didn't want to interject opinion anymore. But you did in the past and then you flip your **** when someone asks a month later if you have the same opinion. I wouldn't have tried to ask three different ways if you answered me directly even once.

All that being said, thank you for your work in general and I won't make the mistake of posting again. This situation has already made my life so much worse, the added frustration of this last year + is just sad.
07-19-2012 , 08:28 AM
DanPan stop being a baby
07-19-2012 , 08:31 AM
Dan, just chillax.
07-19-2012 , 08:38 AM
To be fair here, Diamond Flush gives the most reasoned, well written and knowledgeable insight but its that PSFTP guy that is always the one that breaks the most important stories quickest and first.
07-19-2012 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperJez
To be fair here, Diamond Flush gives the most reasoned, well written and knowledgeable insight but its that PSFTP guy that is always the one that breaks the most important stories quickest and first.
You do realize its not someone breaking story's its an actual insider with an agenda?
07-19-2012 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
You do realize its not someone breaking story's its an actual insider with an agenda?
What is his/her agenda. IP trace imminent
07-19-2012 , 09:03 AM
Everyone is in love with diamond. She's going to help us get our money.
07-19-2012 , 09:05 AM
Everyone wonders why no one tells us anything, yet every person who tells us something gets all sorts of **** because they aren't the answers we want to here.

gg NVG
07-19-2012 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
You do realize its not someone breaking story's its an actual insider with an agenda?
well duuuuuuh

at first I wondered if its the same guy as this

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/277345/

but he seems to have some other random crappy posts ontop of "breaking" black friday so maybe not
07-19-2012 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Pretty2Lose
DanPan stop being a baby
DF bashing is not cool DanPan. Bitar bashing is much better. DF can then concentrate on the super sleuthing.

07-19-2012 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
This is the last event listed in Op. Every question I ask is more current than this.
Not even close to true. Try reading the entire OP. There's an update on the breakdown of the Tapie deal and the emergence of PS as a potential buyer dated something like 4/20 of this year.
07-19-2012 , 09:46 AM
I'm writing this now so I can bump it in a few years. When we end up getting nothing I want everyone to remember how everytime things look darkest a story with hope surfaced. The tapie deal is all of a sudden dead and hours before that news breaks a mystery poster tells us about the stars deal. Seems like the guys at FTP want us busy debating deals that will never happen so the more time that passes the less angry people are. Look how many people have given up hope and left this thread because of the constant bickering over details. Some real deep mind games being played here. Flame away at me now but when I bump this in two years or so maybe then you people will focus your anger on the people that deserve it. Oh and one more thing. If I'm right I'm sure whoever orchestrated this plan also has created 2+2 accounts to incite infighting. So remember the names of the people that attack these ideas the most.
07-19-2012 , 09:49 AM
... Leave this thread then
07-19-2012 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by black_friday
... Leave this thread then
I should leave because I question what we are being told? Seems like solid advice. If only someone questioned FTP before they robbed millions. Geniuses like this would be crying for them to leave.

      
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