The DoJ refers to that as an attachment in the document, and it's not signed. I believe they are helpfully providing the judge with the order so he doesn't have to write it himself. I could be wrong however.

If that is not signed, it's a proposed order for the court to use if it agrees with DOJ. the side that wins a motion very often is asked to draft the order. Saves the judge work.

This one I laughed at.

Thx, I expected something like that.

Lame

Sux that Op is no longer being amended with updates. I can't give 2 ****s about any of it, so I'm not following along. Hoped to grab quick update. So...

I know Bitar turned himself in, did he bond out? How much? I'm SURE have to surreder his passport.

What about GPT bowing out? I saw somewere PS is trying. Is that true?

there are no updates

This is the last event listed in Op. Every question I ask is more current than this.

there are no updates

I'm not sure this is just a leverage tactic. If Stars is so in live with it's motion to dismiss that JT wanted a ruling on it, stars was already going to have to wait until September or so for the court to rule.

Not sure what's going on beneath the surface. Maybe nothing; might just be a filing to take at face value.

It was likely to come up in the FTP case.

almost

Was being charitable, lolol

Strange coincidence that the DOJ cites a case, Degen versus the Government, that has nothing to do with gambling.

I remember thinking the name of that case is too good to be true, lol.

34K in posts and we are no further ahead than when The Black Friday **** Storm hit.

I know Stars has absolutely NO responsibility for the FTP disaster but if it comes out that they used it for leverage at the expense of the players in any sort of way, that would make me insanely angry.

I get the feeling it is Stars that walked away and 'changed' something at the 11th hour. If they really had been using FTP as a way just to help themselves with no intention of benefiting the players, that would be pretty gross. They got themselves involved in the sickest slowroll of all time and so now they are tied to how it resolves.

People like this are why it's so hard to get information about anything by the way.

this whole 16 month BS has been the sickest slow roll ever.

It's ok, it's God's will. We have to accept it.

lol, sensitive much? 'people like this' have nothing to do with why information is not public.

Based on what? This information about this terms being changed came from somewhere (well probably). Do you think it was the DoJ? I don't. Do you think people at stars would be eager to tell this story if it were true? Unlikely. Therefore a more plausible feeling to have would be that Stars is not the responsible party. Of course, this is something we are likely to never know unless someone on the inside tells us.

But it is not the DoJ that is doing the clawing back in Madoff. It is a bankruptcy trustee. And as we see in Rothstein, bankruptcy trustees don't act because the DoJ wants them to, and sometimes they are at cross-purposes with the DoJ. FTP has not been declared bankrupt. There is no trustee. And there is a time limit after which which clawbacks can't be made of payments to people like owners of FTP, and that time limit may have already expired. So, it is not like Madoff in any way that is relevent to clawing back money from owners.

It may well be a ponzi, but it is not like Madoff as far as getting money to compensate victims goes. And because of that, FTP owners are in a situation almost identical to shareholders in Enron. There is a diffrence, and it may be significant, but you don't seem to know what it is.

Star's MTD and the latest from the DoJ are not at all on the same level. Stars pretty well had to file a MTD. It was a normal course of action. The DoJ did not have to do this at all.

This is clearly a leveage move, but whether it is designed to lever a more favorable deal or to get a clear victory in the civil case, I can't tell.

It could be a reaction by the DoJ to a last-minute change from Stars, or it could be part of an ongoing DoJ strategy of ratcheting up the heat, which was previously manifested in the new charges against Bitar.

Since we have plausible reasons to believe that Stars wants a deal, but no particular reason to believe the DoJ needs deal, I'm more inclined to think this is all part of the DoJ getting tough, and is therefore bad news for players getting a Stars-funded payout of FTP debt. There is still hope for remission, though.

omg, this is probably the stupidest comment in this thread - serious.

PS invested a lot time, effort and money for all this. sure they have something they want and it's just not to help the victims of ftp. but i'm 100% sure they didn't it just to be 'the white knight' for some weeks.

they paid their us-players after BF and they are still the market leader ... so why should they try 'to fool' the community w/ false hopes. makes no sense.


and that PS never confirmed the rumors, just proves this b/c they knew to finish this deal takes times and isn't a sure thing.

DoJ wants something, PS wants something, now they negotiate. w/ the few information we have, we just can speculate.


i totally love the fact, that Kirbynators avatar is always up-to-date on the current status of the FTP-deal