I'm not advocating any violence. I am however, gobsmacked by the thought that people think these owners should be welcomed back with open arms into the community.

While I agree that it's unfortunate there are so many nuthuggers in the poker world, I don't think you're likely to see much change in how these guys are viewed by those actually effected. Searing, visceral hatred is hard to shake.

They are playing iun the wsop now without problems. If FTP goes under witjout paying anyone back, I couldn t see anything changing

Ya but diamond, thinking that they'd actually be ostracized shows a lack of understanding of how the poker world works. No poker media would risk saying anything against them because the fallout would be them and their friends blacklisting them from covering them/interviewing them, etc. and it would be the end of that person's career covering poker. And players won't say anything, because most live players are broke or will be broke soon, and rely on staking and/or potential sponsorship to be successful. And even if they're not, they can't afford to risk "rocking the boat" and pissing off people that might end up hindering their ability to pursue their career or get in a certain game, etc.

So you have a situation where no one who could actually do something has any upside to doing so, and only downside and that leads to the current situation. It might not be fair, it sucks, but unless something changes, it is what it is.

I arrive at the rio tomorrow night. I will be voicing my opinion to any team full tilt member I come across.

we have strengths in numbers... I support you 110% joey give them hell...

Could we perhaps get some kind of thread going speaking out against these owners/shareholders of FTP to make the poker community more aware that these people should take some kind of responsibility?

lol (not that I disagree)

Lol, what does 'Onyx' even mean?

IVEY being treated like some sort of god is really perverted. He continued to routinely bet $25k on a roll of dice and $100k+ on sport bets w the "dividends" he received without any actions to make FT players whole for their lost funds.

What a joke the poker community is to glorify this fraud.

I've been waiting for this Joey.
GO AT 'EM BRO!!

Oh I understand exactly. I am under no illusions why it hasn't happened before now. Those parameters tho, should mean nothing to the average poker player, and/or those with hundreds of millions of dollars in limbo for the last 14 months. My livelihood does not depend on kissing up to any of them, and I'm pretty sure I've already made my position clear based on some articles I have already published and those that will come in the future. The truth should never hurt one who is innocent. If any of the owners, and I know who they all are, want to make any statements and any answer questions, I am happy to give them that opportunity. There is an open invitation. The problem is, they don't get to pick the questions or stop me from printing what I do know. A few of them should have no problem with that, others would.

Again, the average player is not staked by one of the "chosen 23", nor does their income depend on having them over to sing songs around the campfire together. These are the players, who are the overwhelming vast majority of the poker community, that should be outraged by the events of the past and should not forgive or forget so easily

Why are people not getting it?

These players are thieves who stole directly from every single one of you, ruining many lives. You are just going to let them sit by you at the poker tables like nothing happened?

Is Onyx rare and wtf is that guy with Ivey and PA?

What's the hold up? Bust them out, DF. Maybe if people had a better idea of specific player/owner involvements, they'd feel more comfortable publicly and personally (verbally) attacking them.

As of now, all we can do is assert implied wrongdoing to the 4 biggest shareholders and primarily ray bitar. Tell us who to be mad at and why, beyond just taking dividends and still playing at the wsop before players are paid back, if such reasons exist.

For example: (excerpts from recent cardplayer web article)

“I don’t think anyone really has a clue with what is currently going on with Full Tilt, enough to put the blame on Ivey,” said high-stakes cash game pro Ashton Griffin, who has a six-figure sum stuck on the site. “Until then, we can’t really be critical of him. Although, I’m not really sure what his agenda was for saying what he did last summer.”

Tournament pro Jonathan Aguilar shares Grffin’s cautious approach.

“Nobody knows the facts of what Phil did or didn’t do,” Aguilar said while watching one of Ivey’s final tables. “I think we can withhold judgement on Phil. There’s like 100 other people who are playing tournaments this year who are actually legitimately bad people. I’m going to hold back until the Full Tilt thing resolves and we find out what actually happened.”

What do you suggest people do? What have you done?

Your only real options are 1) don't play the wsop or 2) be kind of a passive aggressive douche toward them at the table.

Anything more and you're asking to get booted. That'll show 'em I guess?

Ali Nejad

Poker After Dark commentator

Is there a complete list with every owner and how much dividend they received? I want to know who I have to hate the rest of my life.

personally, i dgaf about what happens if i get my money back. as long as those guys aren't allowed to be anywhere around an online poker site's management, just give me my money.

geez, get over it already.,
can't blame all the sponsored pros for the ftp mismanagement.
money is probably gone, and i think ppl gave up on that a while back.

btw, the onyx cup, heh forgot about that thing :O

The bit that frustrates me the most is the "oh sorry I can't answer any of YOUR questions regarding where all YOUR money is, Ima just here to play 100k worth of events".
I mean ffs!!

They're not talking about sponsored pro's in general, they're talking about Team pros (shareholders).
No-one is gunna have at crack at Scott Clements for instance.

How about this, people just ask them a few questions while at the table and try to get others who had money stolen from them too to get involved.

I just can't believe people will just sit across the table from players that flat out stole their money and stay quiet or just ask once and then be all courteous when they just say "I dunno what happened".

Plus like DF said, people should not be letting them back into the community so easily. It like they did nothing, wtf.

Most people respect other's right to privacy. Not everyone is a yellow journalist.

I read you entirely wrong in the past...this is great...Thanks so much for your work.