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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

01-23-2021 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
DN was quite clear in his post-match interview that he has thrown GTO sizing out the window in favor of a higher-variance approach. He characterized his own play last night as "terrible" and "lucky" and readily agreed that DP is a "better player."
haha it's easy to be generous and humble when you beat someone down for 10 buyins.
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01-23-2021 , 11:51 AM
DNegs is just being nice to the fish to keep his action ldo
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01-23-2021 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
haha it's easy to be generous and humble when you beat someone down for 10 buyins.

He has said in every one of his podcasts for the last six weeks that Doug is a better player at HU NLH online. DN believes, however, that he would beat DP live because he can read live tells better than DP can.
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01-23-2021 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
He has said in every one of his podcasts for the last six weeks that Doug is a better player at HU NLH online. DN believes, however, that he would beat DP live because he can read live tells better than DP can.
I can believe that it'd be harder to pull the trigger on multiple overbluff/pot sized bluffs on the river live than online in the manner that Doug has been doing.
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01-23-2021 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Kid-A
I can believe that it'd be harder to pull the trigger on multiple overbluff/pot sized bluffs on the river live than online in the manner that Doug has been doing.
Yea Doug doesn't do that stuff live




(PA overbet the river here, pot was 60k. PA 90k, Doug 300k)
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01-23-2021 , 01:10 PM
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01-23-2021 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kid-A
I can believe that it'd be harder to pull the trigger on multiple overbluff/pot sized bluffs on the river live than online in the manner that Doug has been doing.

I think DN's point is different -- it's not that DP will play differently, but rather that DP has tells that DN can and will exploit.
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01-23-2021 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CoreySteel
Graphs with all-in EV:



Siiiiick
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01-23-2021 , 02:49 PM
DN is a cooler of a session away from being a cooler of a session away from taking the lead.

I think poker benefits more from an improbable come-from-behind win by DN. If we were writing a Hollywood movie about poker, DN is the guy who should win.
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01-23-2021 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Yea Doug doesn't do that stuff live




(PA overbet the river here, pot was 60k. PA 90k, Doug 300k)
Yeh, I watched that hand now. Polk leads and calls a raise on the turn. Then I guess checkraises the river when it is likely PA has a huge hand. He explains the turn lead in terms of what he does with his range and his calling the turn raise and raising the river in terms of blockers. Unfortunately he didn't block 86. Also interesting Antonius overbets the river with a straight on a paired board.
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01-23-2021 , 03:16 PM
-4.28 ev BB/100 is basically break-even. Seems like Polk has to stress that he "ran bad" given that his win rate vs an alleged fish is actually embarassing.
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01-23-2021 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
DN is a cooler of a session away from being a cooler of a session away from taking the lead.

I think poker benefits more from an improbable come-from-behind win by DN. If we were writing a Hollywood movie about poker, DN is the guy who should win.
That would be a great story if DN won as a 6-1 underdog to start and down over $1M and how well known DN is by the general public. Factor in also the attitudes ITT and elsewhere. If man bites dog that's news.

It is possible DN agreed to these terms thinking he had a shot to win, and how big it would be for his endorsement contract, video sales, etc. if he won or even came close.
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01-23-2021 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
DN is a cooler of a session away from being a cooler of a session away from taking the lead.

I think poker benefits more from an improbable come-from-behind win by DN. If we were writing a Hollywood movie about poker, DN is the guy who should win.
Very few Hollywood movies have the deranged, self-obsessed, egotistical, narcissistical, weasel-like, bad guy winning.
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01-23-2021 , 04:39 PM
Yeah, Daniel has an incredibly difficult time getting masterclass sales and endorsement deals. Needs to battle a HU boss risking a million+ for more clout. 4D chess.
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01-23-2021 , 04:46 PM
Seems like when the discussion comes back to live play there is always someone still talking about ‘live tells’ making DN a favourite lol.
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01-23-2021 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SandraXII
Seems like when the discussion comes back to live play there is always someone still talking about ‘live tells’ making DN a favourite lol.
Well it does, so I don’t get what’s funny about it..... are you saying there is no such thing of live tells?
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01-23-2021 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SandraXII
Seems like when the discussion comes back to live play there is always someone still talking about ‘live tells’ making DN a favourite lol.
You're skeptical of live tells? I consider myself an expert.
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01-23-2021 , 05:19 PM
Yesterday was ~10 buy-in win, which in HU is no big deal. It only seems noteworthy to casuals because Daniel never plays long enough to allow Doug to win that much in one session.
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01-23-2021 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
Yesterday was ~10 buy-in win, which in HU is no big deal. It only seems noteworthy to casuals because Daniel never plays long enough to allow Doug to win that much in one session.
Eh?
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01-23-2021 , 05:51 PM
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01-23-2021 , 05:52 PM
Doug is such a tell box. Dnegs gonna crush him live. so many live reads. will make up for lack of strat for sure. 10/10. genius. doug no chance live. Covfefe.
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01-23-2021 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Doug is such a tell box. Dnegs gonna crush him live. so many live reads. will make up for lack of strat for sure. 10/10. genius. doug no chance live. Covfefe.
Yes Doug always breaks the Oreo cookie when he has a big hand.
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01-23-2021 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SizzlerFTW
Yes Doug always breaks the Oreo cookie when he has a big hand.
This is the only tell online nerds have ever heard about
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01-23-2021 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
This is the only tell online nerds have ever heard about
unlikely because in that same film Mike says
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facial tics, nervous fingers the hand over the mouth, the way a cigarette is smoked
though I'm not sure that last one is relevant these days
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01-23-2021 , 07:22 PM
IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU WIN BY A SECOND OR A MILE- WINNING IS WINNING
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