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01-13-2021 , 10:33 PM

#7201

freedom 35

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 580

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Originally Posted by Airblaze

HU poker has variance and so does HU commentary apparently.

The best now IMO are Jamie/Brady and Gary. Joey and his pro friend are still good but for some reason think a Truck animation etc is the greatest thing ever. If you want to concentrate on stuff like that mix it up and have different animations at least if it's going to be your M.O.

GG Poker are by far the worst, Jeff is bland and his friends Brett Hanks and Egyptian or whatever are both boring knobs. That guy Kory is controversial, I like that TBH with no hole cards poker you need something to talk about, they barely use him now though.

GG stream has always been far and away the worst so maybe less variance then you think. I find the Upswing stream the least exhausting to follow.

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01-13-2021 , 10:34 PM

#7202

harkin

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,858

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01-13-2021 , 10:34 PM

#7203

deuceblocker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,820

Commenting without hole cards is difficult.

However, I have seen both players make plays that looked like bad bluffs and were called down and were bluffs. For example today DN bet 1/4 pot on the turn from the BB in a single raised pot on an AAxx, double suited board. Then DN bet pot on a blank river. I couldn't figure out what he was betting 1/4 pot with and the big river bet didn't seem to make sense with any hand. Plus DN shouldn't have a good ace having not 3-bet. DP called with bottom pair, which was good.

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01-13-2021 , 10:48 PM

#7204

Airblaze

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 393

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Originally Posted by freedom 35

GG stream has always been far and away the worst so maybe less variance then you think. I find the Upswing stream the least exhausting to follow.

Turns out you're right actually. But after running it through a solver Brett Hanks is a brilliant, funny and engaging commentator on a low frequency roll.

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01-13-2021 , 10:51 PM

#7205

CoreySteel

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,895

If anyone is in need for some graphs:

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...6772acd6t1gkE/

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01-14-2021 , 01:29 AM

#7206

snowie963

banned

Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,484

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Originally Posted by james nz

Yep, lost QQ vs AA all-in pre for 90k. Otherwise he'd be up money. Pretty embarrassing really.

Didn't he win some big pots too?

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01-14-2021 , 02:12 AM

#7207

loK2thabrain

Tiger > Jack

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 23,204

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Originally Posted by Airblaze

Joey and his pro friend are still good but for some reason think a Truck animation etc is the greatest thing ever. If you want to concentrate on stuff like that mix it up and have different animations at least if it's going to be your M.O.

I can't imagine watching any other stream but obviously these things are subjective. And it's not like Joey "concentrates" on the animations, he just uses them in big pots so not sure why it's a big deal. I'll take that over two low energy drones who are constantly talking about some hand they played two years ago while there's a 4 bet pot in progress.

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01-14-2021 , 04:38 AM

#7208

borg23

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 16,612

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfram

Solvers didn't make backgammon boring, people still play.
Solvers didn't make chess boring, people still play.
Solvers won't make poker boring, and people will still play.

almost nobody makes money from chess or backgammon these days

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01-14-2021 , 05:23 AM

#7209

georgelboss

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 291

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoreySteel

If anyone is in need for some graphs:

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...6772acd6t1gkE/

Really nice to see this. Thanks!

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01-14-2021 , 07:00 AM

#7210

Itachi1234

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 514

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Originally Posted by harkin

can someone stop him, this is why this guy seems annoying, dude u are a clear favourite, theres like less than 1-2% chance u ever lose this so stop making tweets like its the closest game ever lol.

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01-14-2021 , 07:25 AM

#7211

georgelboss

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 291

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Originally Posted by Itachi1234

can someone stop him, this is why this guy seems annoying, dude u are a clear favourite, theres like less than 1-2% chance u ever lose this so stop making tweets like its the closest game ever lol.

Besides the challenge itself, he has millions in side bets. This is going to be a devastating loss for him, of course he's concerned. I mean, who wouldn't be?

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01-14-2021 , 08:17 AM

#7212

kolotoure2.0

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 424

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Originally Posted by snowie963

Didn't he win some big pots too?

He did get KK vs AK for a pretty big pot

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01-14-2021 , 08:22 AM

#7213

SpinMeRightRound

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 2,723

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Originally Posted by harkin

Why does he say "we"? Is more than 1 person playing?

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01-14-2021 , 08:31 AM

#7214

erniebilko

grinder

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 436

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Originally Posted by freedom 35

GG stream has always been far and away the worst so maybe less variance then you think. I find the Upswing stream the least exhausting to follow.

The Solve For Why stream is my favorite. It's the most laid back, least annoying and has soothing background music. Berkey and Christian Soto also know what they are talking about and have a good rapport.

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01-14-2021 , 08:35 AM

#7215

mrno1324

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Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 3,055

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

Why does he say "we"? Is more than 1 person playing?

Join Date: Jan 2016

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01-14-2021 , 09:08 AM

#7216

Howard Treesong

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13,738

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Originally Posted by erniebilko

I've also come to like these two.

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01-14-2021 , 11:03 AM

#7217

Parsons Grinder

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Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 2,371

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

Why does he say "we"? Is more than 1 person playing?

People say 'we' when they're talking about their sports team doing something, despite having no affiliation with them.

In a far less likely situation he is using the Royal 'we'.

In an even less likely situation than that, by orders of magnitude, multiple people are playing on the account.

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01-14-2021 , 11:16 AM

#7218

SpinMeRightRound

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 2,723

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Originally Posted by Parsons Grinder

I see. I just wondered why he didn't use the pronoun "I", as that's the correct word to use here. Saying "we" implies it's more than 1 person who is playing (we is the plural of I).

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01-14-2021 , 11:25 AM

#7219

lonely_but_rich

ɔarpal \ʇunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 23,431

*we's

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01-14-2021 , 11:29 AM

#7220

cetacean

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

Why does he say "we"? Is more than 1 person playing?

Streamers use this construction a lot to bring the audience into the game. They want the feel that it’s not the streamer that’s playing alone (so not “I’m going to raise”), it’s the streamer who is representing the team of the streamer and chat - so it’s “we’re going to raise”

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01-14-2021 , 11:30 AM

#7221

Itachi1234

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Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 514

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Originally Posted by georgelboss

Besides the challenge itself, he has millions in side bets. This is going to be a devastating loss for him, of course he's concerned. I mean, who wouldn't be?

wouldnt be surprised if he just trying to bait more bets in

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01-14-2021 , 11:31 AM

#7222

deuceblocker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,820

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi1234

can someone stop him, this is why this guy seems annoying, dude u are a clear favourite, theres like less than 1-2% chance u ever lose this so stop making tweets like its the closest game ever lol.

His tweet seems realistic. DN won 5 sessions in a row. At this point DN has chances if DP does not have a big skill advantage now.

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01-14-2021 , 11:51 AM

#7223

harkin

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,858

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01-15-2021 , 01:59 AM

#7224

DropTheAce

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 5

I must say, these little recaps from dnegs are what I look forward to the most. Very thoughtful analysis

https://youtu.be/NGtG4agxorU

Last edited by DropTheAce; 01-15-2021 at 02:07 AM.

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01-15-2021 , 02:49 AM

#7225

deuceblocker

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,820

Presumably he doesn't want to give any information on his thought process while the match is going on. I doubt he could be doing this well against Polk if those were his thought processes.

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